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[edit] Happy New Year!

Thank you and wish you the best in the new year! AdrianTM (talk) 01:27, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your Christmas greetings. I would also like to wish you, for the remaining part of the year, health, success and happiness.

I am sorry, somehow I was to busy to participate in WP in the last 2 months. Slowly, I will return. If you aware of any pages needing attention now, please feel free to drop me a message at any time. Otherwise I'll browse through one by one. Thank you very much, :Dc76\talk 16:21, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Holodomor denial

An editor has nominated Holodomor denial, an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

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Once again thanks for all your help. And thanks for restoring the M. Muggeridge quote. I didn't notice it was missing. JoDoe has joined us. he is an interesting sort. I have to translate in my mind what he writes in English to Russian in order to understand him. Most of his anti rhetoric comes from the Russian yellow press (the type of articles that have nudes of Russian tv stars and articles about aliens from Jupiter). The thing is he never gives up. He made a mess of of the Holodomor article. He tends to change things into gibberish which can't be understood. Be prepared to either revert or clean up his rants.

He should write something for the Stalin Society. They'd be happy to publish him. Bandurist (talk) 03:32, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Putting up with incivility/warring

No, we don't have to put up with it. Hammer primed. Request hammer use here.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 00:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Comaan Turgidson, the guy has made a complete fool out of himself already, the incivility just shows how deep in to mud he has sinked. There is no need to react to such postings and get dragged into silly things since once he has run out of arguments and starts throwing around comments personal in nature, thats his problem, don't make it yours. Just stay cool and enjoy the show how he keeps sinking deeper and deeper into his own nonsense. --Termer (talk) 00:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Okey-dokey, Termer, will do. I'll pour myself a shot of single malt, and keep cool as a cucumber. Turgidson (talk) 00:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Leonard Oprea

Well done! Tyrenius (talk) 01:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Happy New Year!

Hello,

Unfortunately a belated New Year's Wish.

Thank you for all of your help with Holodomor Denial. I see that other editors have already said everything I wanted to say, so I will just thank you again for your help and wish you a heartfelt Happy New Year.

Horlo (talk) 07:18, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My BRD edit at BDS

Hi. I see you noticed my "bold" edit at Bush Derangement Syndrome. I'm trying the "bold" part of the WP:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle approach, and I suspect I've been too bold. (At least I got rid of this.) Anyhow, I've started a discussion at Talk:Bush Derangement Syndrome#Opposing meaning of BDS, and I'd appreciate any comments you might have. Cheers, CWC 10:12, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Michael I of Romania

I'm glad we finally reached a consensus on this article. Thank you for your work. Lil' mouse 2 (talk) 01:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shakespeare

While I enjoy collecting the various labels people sometimes stick to me (did you know that I'm already a KGB-employed Stalinist Russian nationalist and russophobic Finnish Nazi sympathizer?), putting heavily distorted words of others into my mouth like that is very nasty. The civility remark applies to all users of the page. If one does indeed go uncivil (the substantive form is written with an "i" in English, btw), this does not automatically permit others to follow suit. Methinks. :-P --Illythr (talk) 11:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I though it was to my usage of certain words, as well as that the no English sources point was originally mine. Oh well, one less label for me... :-) --Illythr (talk) 23:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


I don't think that particular comment warrants such a strong reaction from you. It is objectively true that a work in a foreign language or a translation of such a work tends to be less reliable than a native source regarding proper English names of things (and not, say, facts or their presentation). As you seem to be particularly nationally sensitive on this issue, let me specifically stress that the reason for such inferiority is those sources being non-native English and not Romanian in particular, which is merely the case here, but can be applied to any other language in general. An occasional translator myself, I've seen many Russian, Moldovan and German authors (and translators) happily transliterate names of localities and events from their native language into English, in blissful disregard of English norms for such names. A simple way to find the correct name would be to use a popular repository of English names with foreign language links. Wikipedia comes to mind among the first such repositories. That is why I insist on keeping in line with the majority of reliable sources regarding that one particular name.


About POV-pushing: that is my own POV which may very well be wrong. However, if you could ease the following points of concern somehow, I'd be most grateful: 1) The way you advertise your own work in the article makes you look like the only person who actually does something good for it, which is, well, not nice (this doesn't refer to your last reply ((1),(2)) to me there). 2) MPAndersen clarified his position on the foreigner thing almost immediately, yet you still insist that it is some kind of ethnic slur on his part. (BTW: I agree with his statement regarding specific authors (as above), yet disagree in respect to users, as I believe that sourcing should ultimately decide the validity of one's position, not command of English (the latter, in your case, seems quite adequate anyway)). 3) I found it odd that you promptly added the Romanian sources using the Romanian version of the operation's name without linking them to anything in the actual article, as if their only purpose was to advertise that name you support. Now that I see you adding those sources as inline references, that point begins to slide off. 4) You still didn't respond to what I consider damning evidence against the current name - Google links only Wikipedia mirrors (I think I saw a worldwar2.ro forum entry and the book you mentioned as the only two non-wiki-related links) from the current name and the 41 (~60 if we add "Yassy-") to 0 (now 2 if we accept Tismaneanu's book and that other Romanian one you mentioned somewhere as a valid source for the name) relation favoring "Jassy-Kishinev Operation" between sources. 5) Campaigning 1,2 against PMAndersen instead of peacefully trying to resolve the issue with him (on his talk page) looks like an attempt at eliminating opposition through discreditation to me.


PS: Your labels are nice too, but mine are so much cooler, because I think it's rather difficult to be a russophobic Russian nationalist. I think a "Stalinist Nazi" would crown my collection, but had no luck with the Nazi part yet (got real close on ruwiki, but the discussion there died down). --Illythr (talk) 02:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I do not demand an immediate answer. In fact, I do not demand an answer at all. I prefer this kind of direct dialogue to understand respective positions of major participants rather than building a deaf tower of words against them. Somewhat more time consuming, true, but more rewarding in the end. Feel free to reply at any time, if at all, prioritizing point 4, if possible. --Illythr (talk) 05:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yes, but backlogged

Hi, and Happy New Year! I had connection problems I was not able to fix in time, and then left town on a last minute notice (with the snowfall and blizzard, it was a longer stay than the one I had planned). I'm sorry for putting you on hold until now: I tried to go through the backlog, and I intended to reply to all your posts in one single message before I bumped into the loony bin that you yourself noticed (if you follow my edit history, you'll see that one absurd redlink keeps showing up in several articles). I'll be back with a fuller reply as soon as that madness subsides or I get tired of it. Dahn (talk) 16:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Pmanderson

Hi Turgidson, I reported him here for his incivility. Your inputs are welcome! --Eurocopter tigre (talk) 19:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I have the same opinions as you, that's why I decided to report him. I also wish a very happy new year and all the best! --Eurocopter tigre (talk) 19:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The whole Romani vs. Români thing: What the...?!

I noticed that Dahn was warned by Greenrico09. But I just have to wonder: how on Earth did this Greenrico09 become an admin within just one day of editing?!

Is this possible? Does he really have admin powers, or did he just somehow make himself an admin? I smell a rat. --Kuaichik (talk) 04:24, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

True, they are getting crazier here. But I hope something is done about it fairly soon. In any case, I try not to worry about it too much and to hopefully accomplish something in RL, if not here.
Now for some good news. Romanian seems to be coming back to me more and more! There's a very, very small possibility I will start relearning the Romanian I lost after my neighbor moved out (due to a job transfer). --Kuaichik (talk) 04:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh, yes, I saw that. I didn't respond yet because I never interacted with the user in question, but maybe I'll end up saying something. --Kuaichik (talk) 04:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of which, have you heard the latest episode in this Romani saga? It's of a terribly sensitive (and frightening) nature so I can't reveal much about it here, but ask Kuaichik...K. Lásztocskatalk 05:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Or check your wikimail, I just sent you a brief explanation. Now that we all know about it, hopefully we can think up something to do about it. K. Lásztocskatalk 06:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Ahh damn, that's what I was most afraid of (that nothing can be done.) I should be hearing from Dahn about it sometime tomorrow, and he probably knows best of all of us what is possible or not in Romania. I hope we all pull through this intact, both mentally and physically...but at the moment I'm just going to go listen to Bartók's Third Piano Concerto and go to bed before I completely disintegrate...K. Lásztocskatalk 06:53, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] In remembrance of Father Nestor of Odessa

I was hoping to write an article on Father Nestor do you have another further information on him?[1]. I will ask MishaPan as well. God Bless. LoveMonkey (talk) 14:50, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you and God Bless. LoveMonkey (talk) 15:53, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Soseaua Kiseleff.jpg

Image Copyright problem

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If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 21:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Telephone tapping in the Eastern Bloc

Please provide references for your expansion. `'Míkka>t 04:33, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notice of editing restrictions

Notice: Under the terms of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren, any editor working on topics related to Eastern Europe, broadly defined, may be made subject to an editing restriction at the discretion of any uninvolved administrator. Should the editor make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, he or she may be blocked for up to a week for each violation, and up to a month for each violation after the fifth. This restriction is effective on any editor following notice placed on his or her talk page. This notice is now given to you, and future violations of the provisions of this warning are subject to blocking.

Note: This notice is not effective unless given by an administrator and logged here.


Per this report. Thatcher 06:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

FYI: The notice is dismissed since it's not coming from an uninvolved administrator [2]--Termer (talk) 08:41, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I have reviewed the situation and determined that Termer is incorrect in posting the message above. Thatcher is an uninvolved administrator as he has only taken part in Eastern European topics for the purposes of Arbitration Enforcement. His issuing of these notices is therefore valid and you are therefore bound by it, despite the above note from Termer. Thank you. Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 16:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Please remember that scooping down to level of incivility is never helpful. I trust this incident is an exception to the rule, and that you will be more careful in the future. We can deal with problematic editors without the need to act like them.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:00, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR on Pmanderson

Could you check up to see if I reported him properly, especially on that "Previous version reverted to:" link. It's the first time I report somebody for 3RRV - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:Pmanderson_reported_by_User:Eurocopter_tigre_.28Result:_.29. Best, --Eurocopter tigre (talk) 16:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Józef Piłsudski

The following message was left by Piotrus on your user page, and I assumed he wanted it posted here:

Since you commented in the last round, please note that the nomination has been restarted. Thanks for the comments and edits so far! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 16:28, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Regards, and, if all goes well, my own due replies on other subjects will soon follow. Dahn (talk) 00:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Verb tense

Your user page reads:
Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say... no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh... depended on the breaks.

But didn't GCS actually say:
Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say... no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh... depending on the breaks.

Regards, Unschool (talk) 07:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Michael the Brave

Hi Turgidson, i've just overhauled this article and would like to put it on A-class review as soon as posible. As your english is much better than mine, could you please help me with some copyediting/rewording and things like this? Also, the lead should be expanded a bit. All the best, --Eurocopter tigre (talk) 18:29, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Balachka

Could you have a read through and check the grammar etc. Thanks Bandurist (talk) 19:16, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Denial of the Holodomor A lot of interesting activity there recently. Bandurist 19:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hope you didn't give up. That's what I'm afraid I understood from a discussion between Biru and Dahn... -- AdrianTM (talk) 21:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Please, please, reconsider. Dahn (talk) 22:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
COME BACK! "All that is necessary for trolls to triumph is for good editors to do nothing." Or something like that...K. Lásztocskatalk 22:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm repeating my call. I was just trailing off in thoughts about the Romania and oil, and remembered just how much I would love to see that article, and of how much benefit it would be to this project. If it were only for that plan, I would see it as my duty to pester you over and over again to reconsider your decision. And over again. It is, of course, much more than that: though we started on the wrong foot (and I still feel tremendously sorry for causing that misunderstanding), you always proved the best kind of editor, and it was always a great joy to edit alongside you, as well as to receive your insight, criticism and great humor. As you have said to me before: Illegitimi non carborundum. Dahn (talk) 03:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] W. D. Hamilton

Please could you back the claim regarding his Erdos number, since I can't find anything on Comins or May?--Adoniscik (talk) 22:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Military history WikiProject coordinator election

The February 2008 Military history WikiProject coordinator election has begun. We will be selecting nine coordinators to serve for the next six months from a pool of fifteen candidates. Please vote here by February 28! --Eurocopter tigre (talk) 13:07, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Operation Straw Poll

Hi, since you took part in the discussion about renaming this article, you may be interested in participating in a most evil poll to determine the public opinion on the naming issue. --Illythr (talk) 20:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Henrik Lund

I think the painting is by a different painter, the Norwegian painter of the same name, see no:Henrik Lund.Ketil3 (talk) 12:08, 6 March 2008 (UTC)