Talk:Turner Fenton Secondary School

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Contents 1 History? 2 From VfD 3 There is some significance - now, at least 4 Controversy over divisive politics and police tactics 5 Relevance of Karen Leung 6 Christine McGee 7 Request semi-protection

[edit] History?

1. W. J. Fenton built.
2. W. J. Fenton found to be too small, J. A. Turner built nearby to school.
3. J.A. Turner opened, W. J. Fenton became a vocational school.
4. J.A. Turner found to have too many students, while W.J. Fenton's enrollment declined.
5. J.A. Turner's Visual Arts department begins to use some of W.J. Fenton's space
6. In 1992, the two schools merge and become Turner Fenton Secondary School, also branded as Turner Fenton Campus. (This was also partly fueled by an Ontario law that allows Seperately-funded Catholic schools to have 1st crack at buying closed schools -- which the Peel board wanted to avoid)
7. Post-2000, Turner Fenton Campus name dropped, apparently due to concerns of the school appearing "elitist"
8. Even now, school is over-capacity.

I just happened to find this entry on my old high school, which was quite amusing. Unfortunately, I don't have any of my notes on actual dates for the above... If anyone wants to expand, cool. Dunro 09:13, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] From VfD

• Turner Fenton Secondary School - again, another high school in suburban Toronto. Same as above. Darkcore 22:08, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • If the fact that it's Canada's only campus-based high school was expanded on, it could make a good article. Keep. Rdash 05:24, Feb 23, 2004 (UTC)
    • Campus-based only means that the school is a merger of two other schools. There's not enough there, even, to expand upon. Darkcore 17:12, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Everyking 06:14, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not relevant. (Disclosure: see above.) Bearcat 08:36, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Articles on significant buildings are noteworthy. But needs to be updated to conform to Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools. Davodd 06:52, Feb 24, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep, schools are relevant -- Graham :) 07:43, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. It's a high school. Big deal. Not famous enough to warrant inclusion, IMHO. PMC 17:29, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. One of the more famous/noteworthy secondary schools. Anthony DiPierro 17:26, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • What on earth is remotely famous or noteworthy about it? Bearcat 04:13, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
      • It is Canada's only campus-based high school. Anthony DiPierro 07:10, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
        • Like I said above, campus-based refers only to the fact that it is a merger of two schools (the Turner School and the Fenton School). Darkcore 08:52, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
          • So? Anthony DiPierro 09:36, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
            • So, IMO, that's not particularly noteworthy or expandable. Darkcore 11:19, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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A completely useless school. Claiming it has two campuses is idiotic. Who cares? It is not of any note - please delete or we'll be having any school that has something "special" (and I use the term liberally) placed as an article. Hey, maybe Public School 109 should have an article especially since it has 18 portables. Two campuses is not an important enough fact warranting an article.

[edit] There is some significance - now, at least

[1]

We've pretty much come to the conclusion that the girls discussed in the above thread are from Turner Fenton Secondary School.

Oh goodness, what a sad article. It said they were Mississauga students though... what in particular made you think they're from TFC? -- user:zanimum

Turner Fenton is (relatively) close to the Brampton-Mississauga border, and the media sometimes get Brampton confused for Mississauga. However, based on the conversation in that forum, it sounds more like the students went to the IB school in Mississauga (Turner has had IB for approx. 5 years)... Of course, this is all conjecture and not really relevant to the article.Dunro 05:38, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I thought Turner still had IB. It was the enhanced program they dropped, I heard. Did they really drop both? -- Zanimum 14:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I never said Turner Fenton dropped IB (they have not, I believe). There is another high school in the Peel Board that offers IB (located in Mississauga). I was trying to say that the forum postings gave me the impression the aforementioned incident happened at the other school. --Dunro 08:47, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy over divisive politics and police tactics

Turner Fenton has developed a reputation within the Greater Toronto Area as an outpost of tyranny. The local law enforcement agencies were known to launch brutal crackdowns on dissent by acting as agents of the Turner regime. Peel Regional Police initiated a highly-skilled team of suspected former Israeli commandos to impose law and order on the anarchic school, and were subsequently retained as a permanent presence in the hallowed halls of both buildings; however, abuses of power were rampant. The force was known for its heavy-handed tactics and was rumored to have implemented a harsh series of checkpoints with a Soup Nazi-esque ‘no smiling’ attitude. In addition, they were suspected as being the ringleaders in the eventually failed bid – as it was rumored that the AV club was not willing to participate – to establish an electronic sign banner in the North Cafeteria that would broadcast pro-administration propaganda glorifying the leaders and streaming quotes by Mao, Stalin and Castro about the hypocrisy of capitalism and the illusion of human rights.

It was also suspected that one of the utility and maintenance rooms in the Southern building had, in actuality, been converted into a Soviet-style interrogation room to force confessions out of suspected insurgents and otherwise intimidate opponents into squealing. The team of elite commandos was widely known to overstep its boundaries and try to regulate inter-entity commerce between the school and the adjacent businesses, such as McDonald’s. The restaurant, in particular, was known as being the mouthpiece of the Turner administration and implemented a harsh system of segregation and discrimination against students. The repressive methods employed were generally believed to have initiated a domino effect on surrounding enterprises, whereby the local convenience store enacted an old medieval statute limiting the number of students simultaneously allowed in-store – effectively imposing virtual Apartheid.

The rough methods that the Administration and its agents utilized became a rallying cry for dissidents opposed to the near-Gulag that Turner Fenton became at the start of the 21st century, ultimately culminating in the school’s attempts to suppress opposition by dehumanizing and demeaning students by issuing Orwellian identification cards to be hung around the necks of students. Suddenly faced with the prospects of being branded as if they were cattle, the students collectivized their numerous instruments of resistance – including complaining, grumbling and murmuring – into a surprisingly ineffective confrontation that ultimately failed to wrest control from the administration.

As of this day, a tenuous peace treaty negotiated between the administration and a coalition of senior students from the business, law and biology streams -- and brokered by the so-called 'Group of 4' key stakeholders, consisting of Mayor Susan Fennell, Brampton Transit, the Sears Home Store, and the CUPE Local 1103 unit repairing Kennedy Road -- has been credited with maintaining relative tranquility, as neither the administration nor the students would like a return to pre-2003 hostilities. However, fractures in the student federation, including the exclusion of mathematics and arts students from the bargaining table, as well as the inability of the police to clamp down on the rumored bully-tax for North Cafeteria admission (extorted from weaker pupils by ruthless student militias formed along largely rival sectarian lines), has led many Brampton political analysts to conclude that it is only a matter of time before aggression resumes – a sobering prospect for alumni who negotiated the initial terms of cessation of hostilities.

The Turner administration’s latest conciliatory gesture towards students as an olive branch of cooperation, in the first step to correcting perceived historic injustices, has allegedly included the addition of another vending machine in the North Cafeteria. As of January 2006, the students were too busy – playing cards, passing notes, and stealing chalk – to consider the offer, set to expire at the end of the semester.

This was in the article, I'm moving it here so it can be distilled. -- user:zanimum

Keep: As a former Turner Fenton Student, I think it's fairly accurate. All I would suggest, though, is that in the 2nd last paragraph, the opening line "As of this day" ought to be more specific. Anybody know what the exact date was when the treaty was negotiated, and whether it is still holding today?

Keep: I know quite a bit about Turner Fenton, and Brampton at large, as I have been a resident of the active city for 15 years, and counting. I think that this account is very accurate and warrants to be kept on this page. If there is anything about the story specific that you might want to know I might be able to recall the event; unfortunately, I am not sure about the date of the negotiation. Hope this helps!

Delete Clearly tongue-in-cheek and whether or not there is a grain of truth to all this (as I suspect there is), Wikipedia articles are to be NPOV. --Dunro 08:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Was this ever documented in Turneround, which I'm told is now online-only, or any other outside resource, even a blog? If so, it would help prove this as legitimate. -- user:zanimum

WHAT? Did this actually happen?

Unfortunately, yeah, the administration guys were total a-holes about the whole thing. Students were scared -- a lot of my friends transferred out b/c of the sh--. So glad that at U of T, where I go now, we have appeal processes to deal with administration heavy-handedness. And, yeah, this was totally all over the Turner blogs when it shook down, and even documented in Turneround, it needs to get back in the main Wikipedia article so that history isn't repeated. And, yeah, Turneround is online-only at this point, at least, according to my buddies finishing off their last year, but apparently there's no archives and the site is down anyways. The Turneround articles about the controversy were really pro-admin, though, cause the student editors were pretty much stooges and lackeys who couldn't print a word without approval from teachers/principals, so I remember a bunch of students threw Turneround issues outside in the parking lot in protest, which was kinda stupid because they didn't really endear themselves to anyone by littering and just made it worse (some innocent people got suspended, too) but whatever. This article oughta be back in the main thing, after all, Wikipedia's one of the last true vestiges of free speech and rational discussion, so this story needs to be in the main article, despite the administration's attempt to suppress the truth.

So can you find a blog mentioning this? Any source is better than nothing at this point. -- Zanimum 14:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Sigh... this is an encyclopedia, people - not a forum for whiny, teenage angst. Wah - my school is too hard. Wah - the local convenience store will only let 2 people in at a time. Turner is the worst, most crime-ridden school in Brampton - and it didn't get that way by accident. Fix yourselves, and maybe.... JUST MAYBE.... the powers that be will stop treating you like the children you legally still are. Wikipedia is not a forum of free speech and rational discussion.. it's an open source encycopedia of truth and unbiased information. I think you are confusing Wikipedia with LiveJournal, friend.

These comments would be a lot easier if they were signed... (you do not have to be logged in. But it tells us the date/time and can at least identify the speaker by IP address.) Please do so by adding --~~~~ to the end of your paragraph. Thanks! --Dunro 08:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Delete Clearly a student's idea of a joke. I went to Turner for 4 years and that article makes it sound like North Vietnam. Its a lot of BS and should be deleted. --Orion 5 21:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

• KEEP* This is entirely true...I witnessed it first hand...I'm surprised someone had the guts to write this out...they are watching you know...they will trace your IP and silence you by having you arrested for a fabricated incident...you will fall as the soldiers of the past did for standing up against the admin's abuse of basic human rights...May God Be With You!

• KEEP* Very true. Witnessed this as well...kudos on actually writing about it - you've got bones man.

[edit] Relevance of Karen Leung

Student Karen Leung graduated with a 99.3% average from the IB program, the top average for the Peel Board of Education in the class of 2006. She commented both to The Star and The Brampton Guardian that "English is my true love, but economics is the dirty mistress that will make me employable".[1] She has chosen to study at Columbia University.

What does this have to do with the history of Turner Fenton? The first sentence might be relevant, sure...but the last two are completely irrelevant. Who cares what she said in the news paper or what University she is going to. This article is about Turner Fenton not Karen Leung. The whole paragraph looks to me like someone is just trying to show off. --Orion 5 21:47, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

It just seemed to humourous a comment to ignore. -- Zanimum 15:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps list under notable persons, or not at all, i would support that too.99.245.81.39 06:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Christine McGee

I think the Christine McGee needs some clarification, as she obviously graduated before 1992, when the article3 says the school is founded. (and yes, i read the schools history)99.245.81.39 06:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone provide a source for this claim? The wikipedia entry on her does not corroborate this claim. Dunro 08:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't remember what the source for this was, but she would have graduated from either Turner or Fenton. -- Zanimum 15:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

The article on Ms.Magee says she attended Erindale, not Turner, Fenton or T-F. PKT (talk) 19:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I remember the school displaying Christine McGee's photo in the display case across from the office. She went to J.A. Turner.

[edit] Request semi-protection

The title says it all, really. A lot of anonymous users from Rogers (99.x.x.x) have been adding irrelevant or low-quality information to the article. Ergosteur 06:13, 1 December 2007 (UTC)