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[edit] Turk-men???

The history of Iraqi Turkmens are not related with Ottoman Empire. They are descendants of Seljuks and Ilkhanates not the Ottomans. The given meaning of Turkmen as "Türk-men" (I am a Türk) is totally absurd. The way to say "I am a Turk" in Turkmen is "Men Türkem", "Men Türküm". In any of the Turkic languages from Siberian Yakut to Balkan Turkish the verb is always at the end of the sentence. The execptions that I know are Gagauz (Moldova) and Karaim (Lithuania).

English dictionaries say the word is from Persian turkmān, "like a Turk". I am going to work on this article this weekend. --Cam 17:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Ruhnama say the word is from turk-iman: türk means core, iman means light. Therefore, TÜRK İMAN, namely Türkmen means “made from light, whose essence is light.” The Türkmen name came to this world in this way.

http://ruhnama.info/ruhnama-en/kitap-htm/s10.htm --Ga1taman 13:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Odd paragraph

Saparmyrat Niyazov
Since October 22, 1993 Saparmyrat Niyazov has used the title Turkmenbashi (Türkmenbaşy), meaning "Leader of all Ethnic Turkmen". In his state Turkmenistan, this is probably largely true. It should be noted, however, that President Niyazov has not to date demonstrated any desire to expand his political suzerainty beyond the borders of Turkmenistan.

Does the above paragraph really belong in this article? Seems inappropriate. SouthernComfort 01:06, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I say delete it. :) --Khoikhoi 04:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] people or peoples?

Do the Turkmen of central Asia and the Turkmen of Iraq really consider themselves to be part of a single ethnic group? Or do they consider themselves separate groups (admittedly under the larger umbrella of Turkic peoples) with the same name? --Jfruh 23:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

More radically, shouldn't we split this article? I've controlled ethnologue and it considers their language only adialect of South Azerbaijani, linking the Iraqi Turkmens to the Azeris and not to the Central Asian Turkmens. Also I doubt the two groups have any cultural similarities, also considering that many Iraqi Turkmens are shia, while all the Central Asian Turkmens are Sunni. The only common link is that they are both Turkish people, but this can be said of many. Aldux 17:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

(I'm an outsider editing adding a comment.) The one who added the article above, doesn't have any clue what he/she is talking about. He/she doesn't seem to know the difference between Turkish and Turkic. Turkmens and Turcomans of Iraq are NOT Turks. They are TURKIC peoples. Turks are relatively a young nation, on the other hand the history of Turkmens go back thousands of years. We dug finely worked ivory up in Turkmenistan hand made about 3500 year ago. Turkmens can't possible be Truks.

[edit] Moved info. on Iraqi Turkmen to Iraqi Turkmen

Just so everyone knows, I didn't just blank out the section. Tombseye 16:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dating

What does AH mean, as in 349 AH? What does it translate to in western time-keeping? What calendaring system is it, Islamic or Baha'i or Saka? 24.186.214.2 01:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

AH is After-Hegira, Muslim time reckoning, when Muhammed fled Mecca for Medina, 622 AD. Chris 07:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

Looking at Turkomen after the merge proposal, I thought they seemed like two different batches of people similarly named. Can anyone verify? They could be the same. Chris 07:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

support merge, I checked, same batch of folks. Chris 07:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
support merge, --Ga1taman 13:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 21:13, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What is so bad about this picture?

What is so bad about this picture that it must need be removed from the article, where it had been happily sitting since April 2005?  --Lambiam 17:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)