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[edit] Discrimination

"even killed" in the introduction is rather blunt and lacking in evidence? Is there any?

The Harassment part seems to make statements not backed up by the sources. First, the attacks mentioned in the articles aren't attributed to fascists. As to the racist part, either one could argue that it is a POV that the the attackers are racist, the other side to that the actions imply racism, in which case the description is not needed. Rds865 (talk) 05:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] define cultural faith????!!!?!??

what in the world the sentence "important spiritual element of the cultural faith." mean


[edit] Citation on hate crimes assertion?

Certainly there was a great deal of post-9/11 'discussion about the possibility of turban-based hate crimes, but it's difficult to recall ANY actual crimes occuring, let alone a significant number. Moreover, it would be nearly impossible to state with any confidence that a crime against a person who happens to be wearing a turban is a hate crime. Given the disproportionate number of Sikhs who work in high-crime-victim occupations (ie, taxi driving and convenience store employment), one could argue that said crimes are against people, and not against turbans. The Editrix 17:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm trying to remember, but it seems to me there were reports immediately after 9/11 of an assault on a Sikh, and the shooting of an Eastern Orthodox priest, in the mistaken belief they were Muslims because they "dressed funny". SigPig 18:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I added four cites. There are more out there; these are just a few. SigPig 21:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

As a related concern, isn't asserting that such crimes were committed by racists and especially by "fascists" unwarranted and possibly baiting language? While it is plausible that assaults were committed against turban wearers by angry Americans believing they were Muslims, and in some cases wrongly believing so, the motive was apparently religious, not racial - and it is highly unlikely that most of the assailants were fascist. Fascism refers to a specific political alignment and it is incorrect to equate fascism with either racism or political conservatism, or with hate crimes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.7.158 (talk) 01:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Turban (Sikhism)

The Wikipedia article for 'Turban (Sikhism)'[[1]] states that 'Sikhism is the only religion in the world in which wearing a turban is mandatory'. This appears to contradict this article, which asserts that the turban is 'not explicitly required for baptised [Sikh] men'. Does anyone know which is correct?

It depends what type of Sikh you are. Sikhs as a rule count hair as one of the 5Ks. However, certain Sikhs (notably the AKJ), raise the Turban to be one of the 5Ks (uncut hair with a turban). Virtually all baptised Sikhs where a turban (AKJ followers or not). However, whether it is explicitly mandated - probably requires a bit more research than I have time to do at the moment. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 20:56, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The color of a turban

The article states that in some turban wearing cultures the color of the fabric holds some cultural importance, e.g. a black turban can mean that the bearer is a descendant of the Prophet Muhammad. Is this true with all turban wearing cultures? Are the only a few colors that are acceptable to wear? I saw a man wearing a pink turban not to long ago and it struck me as odd, is there any significance to a pink turban?

Thank you for your time and help. --Michaelgirvine 16:27, 31 July 2006 (UTC)Michael

Sikhs may wear turban colours to match what they're wearing. I've seen all the colours of the rainbow. There is no religiously prohibited colours (for Sikhs at least). Although, for obvious reasons, most Sikhs stay away from neon Yellow and the like! Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 20:54, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't know about other militaries, but the Canadian Forces issues turbans in green for Army, light blue for Air Force, and white for Navy. I do not know if they are issued any other colours to match beret colours in certain units, such as maroon for paratroopers or black for armoured (or for that matter, CADPAT for combat conditions). RCMP have issued one similar in colour to their Stetson and a dark blue one. I think they look rather cool. --SigPig 21:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other Turbans

Just a thought, but there are other form of Turbans as well (e.g. Puneri Pagadi, Thakoor-style Turban, etc). Can we add those here? -- Mayuresh 09:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Afghanistan/Pakistan

And theres NOTHING about Afghanistan or Pakistan. In Afghanistan south and Pakistan southwest, every adult male has a turban, sometimes the biggest turbans currently worn. Among the Pashtuns for example, white turbans are worn by priests, while everyone else wears black ones. The cloth is wound around a cap, which eventually disappears from sight. Sometimes theres more cloth in the turban than the rest of the clothes, and can become heavy.

The baloch in Pakistan and Afghanistan traditionally wear turbans like Pashtuns but its wider. During the early part of the last century, their turbans became HUGE as seen in some old videos. At that point beads and other artifacts were hung from the sides of the turban.

I think the information on Pakistani and Afghan turbans should be added since that region has more turbans per capita than any other region. I'm personally however relatively ill-informed.

-Ghazan Haider

All it requires is someone with the requisite info and citations to add it in. -SigPig 20:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Um, not EVERY male in Afghanistan wears a turban! They only wear it in rural areas (like in the mountains!). Just because you see some people wearing it on TV doesn't mean everyone wears it. And also, the traditional Afghan lungee/turban is different from the Pakistani one. I'd recommend someone with actual correct information to fix the article.72.196.229.15 23:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Afghan lungee

There is no reference of the Afghan lungee. It is different from a turban and was changed from the original page of lungee in the Afghan culture page. Whoever changed this needs to correct the article. Afghan lungee should be included. And there should be no reference to the lungee and the Pakistani turban because they are completely different. Does anyone have some GOOD and reliable info?72.196.229.15 19:31, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zora's rewrite

I happened on this page and wasted a few hours of my life completely rewriting the article. It was much too focused on Sikh and Islamic turbans, and completely ignored all the other forms of turban wearing. I rewrote to make a distinction between contemporary usage and history, and also included some sketchy material on the wearing of turbans in the West. I was surprised to find pictures of men and women in turbans from 1400 onwards! As others have noted, we need more on Afghan and Balochi turbans. Also North African and Tuareg turbans. I think turbans were worn in China too.

This article should be much larger and have many more pictures and links. I'm hoping that if we raise public awareness about just how many kinds of people wear turbans that there will be less harassment of Sikhs in the US. Zora 08:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


Hi. Sorry, not to say i have a particularly amazing style of writing but this article reads as if it was written by a retard. Could someone change this please?

Thanks for calling me a retard. Have a nice day. Zora 21:36, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] European "Turbans"

I doubt if he meant you in particular, Zora - he just didn't add a new section. I had to rewrite the European bit of (apparently) your rewrite - most early European "turbans" are in fact Chaperon (headgear). I'm also dubious about the two photos - the french woman looks to me like she is wearing a bonnet tied tight, but turbans for women did come in a little later. A good pic of a male turban (worn informally around the house, but often in portraits) from c1680-1780 would be good also. Johnbod 03:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
John, I left a longer message on your talk page. I'm not sure that I agree with you re chaperons, but I'm willing to be wrong. I cited some picture captions in my Bruhn and Tilke. I agree that the French picture isn't good. It was a quick grab. Better ones could be found. I have read any number of late 18th century novels where turbans are mentioned as women's headgear. I just didn't find anything online, but I may have been looking in the wrong places. I can't scan pictures from Bruhn and Tilke, because it's still in copyright.
That was a first pass at a European section. I didn't like the emphasis on Islamic and Sikh turbans. I'm sure great improvements could be made. There were also revolts in China called the Red and Yellow Turban revolts -- I haven't started to research that. I have a feeling that turbans have been worn in many places -- it's such an obvious thing to do with cloth. Zora 07:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I have replied on my talk-page & copied it to the one at chaperon (headgear). I will revert your changes to my bit - I have 18 inches of scholarly references books used at Chaperon & you have two picture captions in a general history. Not close enough I'm afraid. The OED first cite for a European female turban is 1776, so I will amend that bit. They say it briefly revived in 1908, & also there was a different sort of hat called a turban in the 1850s. They don't distinguish the C17-18 male Euro use. Try the NPG London for Kit-Kat Club for those -lots of good ones. Johnbod 09:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] question

What's that thing, you always see shepherds in the nativity play wearing.. it's rather like a cloth draped in a way to mimic a mane of hair, with the majority of its length trailing down the back of the head, and with a headband at the top to hold it on? I love that thing. It's not quite the same as the keffiyeh... - asked some time ago by anon, just now deleted, let's hope by accident, by mr my points go to the top of the page anon Johnbod 01:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Color of Turbans

There is a significance for the color of the turban in the Sikhism faith.

Colors that are prohibited to be worn: Red (Worn by Hindus in battle, etc) & Green (Worn by muslims in battle/Mosques are mostly colored green)

Colors that sikhs should wear the most: Kesri (Orange) Black and White

Orange : Battle/Sacrifice White: Before cremation sikhs are covered in a clean white sheet, which represents Shaheedi or "Death", Bhagat Kabeer tells us we should be dead while living alive. Black: Also related to war


Yes, you see people wearing gold, yellow, pink, red, but these people are unaware or simply don't really care.

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for more information —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Khalistani (talk • contribs) 19:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC).