Talk:Tulsa, Oklahoma

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[edit] Photo

Image:Downtown Tulsa, 1908.jpg

Hi, does anyone think that this photo of early Tulsa should be added or replace another photo? Mabye in the history section, there are no old photos of the city and I think a FA should have at least one.--CPacker (talk) 19:29, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

It would be nice, but we shouldn't include it due to licensing issues with this particular picture. I'm not sure of the copyright status of the pictures from the Tulsa Historical Society, but we could email and ask them. If the current license is correct, we cannot use it. There were pictures with the "published before 1923" license when this article became a featured candidate, but reviewers wanted them removed since the tag only necessarily applies to the United States, possibly excluding its legal status in other countries. No one would probably care about it being on History of Tulsa, Oklahoma, but featured articles must set a higher standard for viewing around the world. Pictures are really a tricky thing if they're not taken personally and released to public domain by the photographer. Feature article candidates often have problems with picture licensing. Okiefromokla ^questions? 20:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Revert of Feb. 23

Per implied request by anonymous user 81.76.73.250, I'll explain further my edit of February 23, and again today. "Buckle of the Bible Belt" is not a nickname of Tulsa (a word that is synonymous with "Tulsa"). Tulsa is merely considered one of the many buckles of the Bible Belt. "America's Most Beautiful City" does not meet the definition of a nickname, either. In other words, who would consider "America's Most Beautiful City" interchangeable with the word "Tulsa"? "Oil Capital of the World" has the deeply-entrenched historical basis and wide recognition to be considered a nickname. I'm willing to keep "T-Town", although this is not really a nickname, and doesn't have recognition outside of Tulsa. It's borderline.

As far as my changes to the lead, it was merely a matter of keeping things objective. Calling Tulsa an "important town in the history of popular music" somewhat violates WP:SYNTH, as there's no need to make this opinion-based generalization if a source does not make it for us. Simply talking about the prominent artists from Tulsa and the two musical styles from Tulsa is enough, and readers will come to a conclusion based on that information, rather than being told a conclusion by this article. I don't like this generalization to be in the body either, but it most certainly shouldn't be in the lead.

Additionally, Tulsa was not the "start" of Route 66 — that implies the geographical start, which it is/was not. The Tulsa Sound should remain out of the lead for the sake of a concise, summary style per WP:LEAD. It was not a prominent musical genre like Western Swing. Furthermore, omitting details like Cain’s Ballroom also helps meet WP:LEAD standards. The mention of Tulsa being the birthplace of Western Swing is enough, there is no reason to go into specific points as to why it's the birthplace.Okiefromokla ^questions? 21:10, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] popular music edit

shouldn't david cook, the winner of american idol 08 be added to popular music? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.23.168 (talk) 09:04, 22 May 2008 (UTC)