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1 Archive
2 About user Bosniak
3 Template
4 I am going out biking
5 Njeri
6 Kosovo
7 Haradinaj
8 Easy blocking, hard unblocking?
9 User Beam about "Albanian c***"
10 WP:ARBMAC notice
11 Persian Mesopotamia
12 canvassing
13 Hi (from a friend)
14 Hello Kosovo Friend
15 Haradinaj, the hero
16 HOORAY! FREE AT LAST!

About user Bosniak

Please stop making highly uncivil comments and personal attacks like here. As long as you can remain civil and calm it's OK. But when you cross that border - it will not be tolerated. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 14:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I ask you for an example, please. BTW: Are you an adminstrator? --Tubesship (talk) 14:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not "run" by administrators, this is a free community. The example is in the link I gave (But what I cannot understand is your sick hate, Mr. PaxEquilibrium, that you project from yourself to other people. I feel sorry for you. They should have rather block you instead of Bosniak.). --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 14:27, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Stop distorting facts, please! You were the one writing this on Bosniaks talk page: "I am interested to know how xenophobic hatred for a neighboring country, getting drunk and celebrating across the streets upon declaration of independence of its southern secessionist part or even orgasming on the mere opinion of it could constitute any sort of sane support." Boo... --Tubesship (talk) 14:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

And as you do not say that you are an administrator, I feel free to remove the "present" you left on my page. --Tubesship (talk) 14:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, and I fully stand behind that comment, and so do the administrators that blocked/banned him (refer to his contributions. But let me now ask you a question. Imagine that we're in 1948 and that Germany is partitioned. Sudden of all, a user comes around German-related talk pages trolling about his sexual perversions or similar obstruction on an encyclopedia, and I report him. Would you defend him and ask block for me (P.S. You still didn't answer my question regarding how Bosniak didn't violate Wikipedia's policies and how I did). --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 17:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I would suggest that everyone should eyewitness and decide which one of us is right, here the celebration in my home town Mannheim: http://youtube.com/watch?v=chEtbyb6Jzs And this happenings took place all over the world. Well, maybe not in Serbia, but that is another story how they "celebrate". ;-) Tubesship (talk) 17:27, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Fine, celebrate as much as you wish. All kisses and best wishes from here - but what does that have to do with anything? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 18:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

The video proves that we were not full of hatred, xenophobism, drunken, but we were celebrating Independence Day full of hope, love and peace, we were dancing all together, we were singing, we were happy as happy can be. It was one of the luckiest days for many of us and you are talking about this celebrations in an ugly way (orgasming). Is this polite? --Tubesship (talk) 21:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

No, I'm not. What does this have to do with Bosniak? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 22:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

He is my brother. --Tubesship (talk) 22:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

He has also conducted severe trolling, just refer to his blocklist for one thing. And I thought you're not Bosniac? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 11:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Well? ;) --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 12:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Is there a particular reason why you won't answer me? :) --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 16:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

About what? About calling user Bosniak my brother? Brotherhood as I understand it is much more than Jus sanguinis. --Tubesship (talk) 17:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

You don't expect me to fall for that. ;)

No, I meant why you justify Bosniak's slander and want me blocked. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 20:30, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Because I read your slander and not Bosniaks. I gave you an example for your slander but you failed to give me such one from Bosniak. --Tubesship (talk) 03:07, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

1. "Enough of your hate against Albanians" on the talk page of a very neutral editor: Who cares about Serbia and Serbian terrorists? Dude, we don't care what you think. Another World Power, CANADA, has just recognized Kosovo, and more countries will follow the suit. Ok, time to celebrate, bye!

2. Hxseek, maybe you should educate yourself about Serbian terrorists and Serbian terrosm in the Balkans. Two Serb Generals, Stanislav Galic and Dragoljub Milosevic were convicted on terrorism charges over their role of terrorizing Sarajevo.

3. I intend to get drunk today, there is just too much happiness in my life as a result of Kosovo indepdence. Heroic Albanian people are my idols

4. F***....Serbs

5. Haha... You are in denial stage, which is fine. No matter what you say and no matter what God says, Kosovo will never be part of Serbia, and that's a fact. Everything else is irrelevant, including Serbia.

6. Anyways dude, who cares about Serbia, they are irrelevant. Kosovo is independent, and neither you nor Serbia will change it. (on two different talk pages)

7. Kosovo will never be part of Serbia. Even historically, Albanians (Ilyrians) were first to settle in Kosovo. Period, End of story. Enough of Serbian propaganda and historical mythologies. (on two pages)

8. IT'S A JOY TO WATCH NEWBORN KOSOVO I cannot express my feelings how happy I am for independent Kosovo. The footage of Serbian terrorists burning US Embassy in Belgrade and burning the U.S. flags brings a high level of joy and happiness to me. But nevertheless, what I wanted to point out is that we should note that Kosovo was defended not just by the Serbs, but also but Albanians and Bosnians (during Ottoman attack). In 1389, in the famous Battle of Kosovo a coalition of Christian armies including Serbs, Albanians, Bosnians (Bosniaks were heretical Christians at that time) and Hungarians, led by the Serbian prince Lazar Hrebljanovic was defeated by the Ottoman Turks, who finally took control of the territory in 1455.Bosniak (talk) 00:22, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

9. I agree with you. Kosovo is internationally recognized country and the number of countries recognizing Kosov is growing... Kosovo will never be part of Serbia, again. Never.

10. Kosovo is not part of Serbia and will never be part of Serbia and your Serbian government will never have any control over Kosovo, so whatever you say is just blowing the wind. Who cares about UN membership, Kosovo will be part of the EU. The most important part is that Kosovo is not under your control.

11. Spamming at another user's talk page: PPNjegos, keep dreaming. Kosovo is gone from Serbia. Kosovo will never be part of Serbia. Maybe in your imagination, but - of course - the reality is different. You can continue dreaming or you can accept reality that Kosovo will never, ever, be part of Serbia.

12. I never liked Bush, but I love him now He was a great critic of Bush, claiming a brutal killer - but since now he recognized Kosovo, he's OK to him: George Bush has recognized independence of Kosovo, and we should note this fact in the article. Honestly, I never liked the guy. In fact, I despised him. But I have totally changed my opinion after he recognized Kosovo. Now, I love the guy. He is a true visionary and it took me so long to realize it. Bosniak (talk) 21:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

13. Again obstructing constructive discussions on the talk page about improving the article, he writes: It doesn't really bother me. Kosovo is independent and will never be part of Serbia.

14. Spamming despite blocked here, here, here, here, violating his block.

15. Despite banned from Kosovo-related subjects, he violated his ban and edited them

16. Despite his blocked was lengthened for violating his block for violating his ban, he edited again as an anon - leading to further lengthening of edits.

17. PPNjegos, keep dreaming. Kosoo is gone. Kosovo will never be part of Serbia. Maybe in your imagination, but - of course - reality is different.

18. Comment how "Serb loss" [of Kosovo] is to him a beautiful and magnificent feeling, unmatched and equal to an orgasm.

All in all, Bosniak has a record of hatred towards Serbs in precise, for which he was blocked a dozen times and warned by administrators loads more. As you can see, he is now one step towards permanent ban from the Wikipedia. If it was up to me, I'd give him a year-long block (seems only sensible when his contributions are studied through).

If you have nothing to add to this, please point out my alleged slander (where is it?). Thank you. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 13:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Again you failed to give me a link so that I can convince myself about this accusations you make and about the context in which the sayings have been done. And by the way, most of the examples you brought were in no way objectionable, I read only one time a four letter word. That is all? No, that really was not enough to ban him or even block him for so long --Tubesship (talk) 20:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Then I think you don't understand Wikipedia's policy - such behaviour is explicitly prohibited, it's treated like Hitler was when he attacked Poland in 1941. If I did something like this, I'd get instantly banned - and so would you, like other internet trolls were countless times before (Afrika paprika, dodona, etc...). Please, reread the policies I gave links to the below. The main point is if you brake a rule, you have to pay for it - which Bosniak did. Do you not agree? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 08:12, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

What an outrageous comparison between Hitler and user Bosniak, between Hitlers doings and Bosniaks sayings. Maybe you should reread the policies, my dear! --Tubesship (talk) 14:09, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I did: WP:BLOCK and WP:BAN. If you can't really get the policy, let me just sum it down to a shortened sentence: YOU MUST NOT EDIT WHILE BLOCKED / BANNED, that's what blocks / bans are for. ---PaxEquilibrium (talk)

That he broke the rule by ignoring his banning does not mean that the banning itself was justified. --Tubesship (talk) 16:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

That's like saying Haradinaj might not be innocent, just because he has been acquitted. Does this mean that you accept that possibility? :)

P.S. He did clearly violate a rule: it's WP:POINT and WP:TALK. None of the specific details of his posts are relevant, as long as he is spamming across talk pages messages that are totally unrelated to the article's content. He has been warned on his talk page by administrators to stop doing so, because he is violating Wikipedia's policy, and that he might be blocked. He ignored the warnings and continued - thus, he indeed deserved the ban / block.

P.P.S. Imagine if some Serb trolls appeared and started writing all around Kosovo-related talk pages "KOSOVO IS SERIA" and things like "This is the saddest day in my life, I am going now to my bed to cry for the greatest injustice ever done in the world", "I always hated Putin because he's undemocratic and demagogic, but now I have changed my mind; now I love him. Long live Putin!!!" or "Kosovo will NEVER separate from Serbia. That is the reality. Kosovo will NEVER EVER be a separate country from Serbia. Kosovo will NEVER EVER be independent!!! Never ever will that happen. Albanians must realize that and give up on their mythological dreaming.", "Kosovo is the cradle of the Serbian civilization, Albanians are guests in there and Kosovo is not theirs. This illegal act of one-sided violence will not pass. KOSOVO IS SERBIA" or even "KOSOVO IS SERBIAN, KOSOVO IS THE HEART OF SERBIA".

Now tell me, truly, if you'd really defend this guy if he gets banned from Kosovo-related themes / blocked. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 00:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I would laugh about this poor sick Serb but would for sure not ask for any ban or block, if his writings would not interfere too much with the writings of others. You see, there must be a kind of sense of proportion. If he posts only one or two sentences, who cares? If he posts some kilobytes full of this stuff, than it would be disturbing the reading and understanding of the page, than he would overshoot. So I see the problem more in quantity than in quality. Freedom of speech should be regarded high. --Tubesship (talk) 01:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah, no. I think you have misunderstood Wikipedia's policies, please reread them. Such behavior is explicitly banned. If you personally have a problem with it, then go ahead and propose its changes.

Also you didn't explain why you think I should be banned from Kosovo-related subjects? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 03:34, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

P.S. You wrote ..poor sick Serb... Well there you go - Bosniak. ;) --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 03:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Please stop trolling, ok? I mean we have a freedom of speech but it is clear that you do not try to understand but to troll, so here is EOD for me. And don't depict again a Serb (or a Bosniac) in that way you did above, at least not on my talk page. If an individual behaves in that sick way, he has an problem as an individual but that has nothing to do with his ethnicity. --Tubesship (talk) 10:52, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Of course. Who alluded to anyone's ethnicity? Bosniak is his user name.

Eh, no. We do not have the full freedom of speech and Wikipedia is not a democracy. I think you get the point know? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 11:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

As I told you: EOD. --Tubesship (talk) 11:40, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

... --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 11:52, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

EOD. --Tubesship (talk) 12:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Like I said, I simply don't understand what EOD stands for - and since you obviously want never to talk to me again, that's fine with me. Goodbye and sorry if we had anything bad between us. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 17:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I neither see anything bad between us, nevertheless I do not see any sense in continuing the discussion about user Bosniaks unjustified banning as we never will agree in that case. So let us just stop the discussion here, therefore stands EOD = End Of Discussion. --Tubesship (talk) 17:55, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Template

template:Republic_of_Kosovo Needs to change. This is EN WP so therefore we only need to let the Republic of Kosova, I don't see a reason why the name has to be in Serbian and Albanian. Kosova2008 (talk) 15:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe that picture of a newly installed border sign could be helpful: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Grenz%C3%BCbergang_Merdare_Kosovo.jpg --Tubesship (talk) 15:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC) BTW: As I see every country box has the native name and the english name.

I am going out biking

Today is stunt day. Is there any sign I can use on my user page to tell people I am offline? I mean a kind of template that turns to green when I am online and to red when offline or something like that. --Tubesship (talk) 10:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

See WP:Wikibreak for some ideas, cheers --Cradel 11:24, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the hint, dear Cradel! :-) --Tubesship (talk) 03:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Njeri

Mes mendo qi jom shka ose kunder Kosoves. Pe du mi bo kta artikuj per Kosoven aktuale e jo mi lon kta rrenca mi kthy per cka en kar da dal en historin qi kta e njohin. A pe medon qi ska arsy pse pe dojin me shti historin sikur Kosova ne jugoslavi, ne "serbin historike" ne otoman? Krejt se per perdorusit e pare qi sdijin gjo mendojin qi Kosova ka qen gjithmon Serbe. Mes e lejo kit mualif.

Translation: Don't think that I am a serb and against Rep. of Kosova. I want to make the Kosovar articles more actual and not allow these liars to change the articles into historical articles with bs facts. Do you really believe that there isn't a reason why they are trying to include history such as Kosova in yugoslavia, in "historical serbia" and ottoman? This is all for the new users whom will visit this page and know nothing of Kosova and they will see a lot of Kosova in Serbian places. Don't allow them to do such a thing. Kosova2008 (talk) 13:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Shipa yeme oshte ndreishe si shipa yote, une jom pi tetoves. Vol germance me mu ja vol ingilisce, se ne volna shipen e tetoves (ngat celopekit), pirandi sund mar vesht. --Tubesship (talk) 13:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

You are Albanian from Tetova? I am not also for Serbs, I think you misunderstood. Futhermore I will translate the message above I wrote earlier. Kosova2008 (talk) 20:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Glad to hear that. Please do not wonder that after some experiences with user Beam for example I learned to be careful as he pretended to help but exploited my principle "Assume Good Faith" by deceiving me and hiding his own agenda. Nevermind, I am glad to hear that you are pro Kosova. :-) --Tubesship (talk) 06:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Kosovo

The title is same as before, Kosovo, the article was not moved. It was edited but that's just wikipedia articles get edited, reverted, discussed all the time. Hobartimus (talk) 08:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, ok, now I saw the text about the Republic is somewhere in the article. Hm, not a good solution, it should be on top like it is in every other country article. --Tubesship (talk) 08:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the RoK infobox should have all the data about the country. So should the Serbian POV infobox. I just commented about that on Talk:Kosovo. Regards, Hús ö nd 22:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Tubesship, stewards and Jimbo Wales aren't "big bosses" and won't interfere in this. Attempting to contact them will likely bring discredit to you. The only way of solving disagreements on Wikipedia is talk them over and have a lot of patience. I'm in a hurry now, I'll be back for this later. Regards, Hús ö nd 11:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

My recommendation would be to assume good faith at all times. You should also remember that on this matter a user that you may regard as obviously racist towards Albanians may not be against Albanians per se, but simply defending a staunch Serbian position. Which is quite different. Assuming that someone might be a racist is very frown upon on Wikipedia. So again, I recommend that you simply have the ultimate patience to engage in a pacific discussion even when other users seem so unreasonably stubborn. And if you realize that discussing with them leads nowhere, it's always better to ignore rather than butt heads. Above all, don't let Wikipedia be a stressful experience. :-) Regards, Hús ö nd 17:28, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I really hope we will find some Wikipedians fighting this case, some more could be helpful in this ongoing discussion if we want to have an infobox in the article like there is one in every countries article. The discussion here shows that dab is not willing to be open to facts but is bound to his anti Albanian resentment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kosovo#The_Infoboxes --Tubesship (talk) 12:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Haradinaj

...EOD. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 19:05, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Easy blocking, hard unblocking?

Tubesship, I have blocked you and user Beamathan 24 hours for constant incivility and provocations at Talk:Kosovo. You and all other users participating in that talk page have been asked many times to observe WP:CIVIL. For failing to adhere to that policy and constantly ignoring calls for mutual respect, a block is in order. When the block expires, please make strict observance of WP:CIVIL. Thank you. Hús ö nd 01:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

After thinking this for a while I've decided to unblock you and make a firm admonishment instead. If you and Beamathan don't stop picking each other, or any other users for that matter, then you will be effectively blocked for the whole 24 hour period. So please calm down and if you can't ignore each other, then at least discuss in a civil, constructive way. That includes refraining from sarcasm or snideness. Thank you. Hús ö nd 01:20, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Husond, now it is no more your first time as it worked at Beam. So why does it not work here? --Tubesship (talk) 02:30, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Please tell me you're not still blocked. If you are, please paste your block message here, including any number you see there. thanks. Hús ö nd 02:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, it's probably ok now. Please report if the block was finally lifted. Hús ö nd 03:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

It seems to be a hell of a work but you succeeded at last! ;-) --Tubesship (talk) 03:04, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

User Beam about "Albanian c***"

Please stop insisting the RoK flag and such in the infobox, you're not helping. Seriously. Beam (talk) 10:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

There is no such thing like Albanian "crap" like there is no such thing like American "crap". Please do not speak disrespectful about other nations and ethnics. And there are much more disputed countries that are treated country like, with country box and flag at the top, like for example Nagorno-Karabakh_Republic or Transnistria with no country recognizing them or like Northern Cyprus with only one country recognizing them. So is not there a double standard forced upon us by Serbian nationalists? Or what else is the reason for this inequality in handling this cases?--Tubesship (talk) 10:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC) BTW: The RoK flag and the infobox are now finally in the box! *success*

And maybe you should realize that Kosova is now officially a potential EU accession candidate like Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro and Serbia [1] [2] So much about your "crap" talking. --Tubesship (talk) 17:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

To be precise, "Kosovo under United Nations Security Council resolution 244" and under international norms a part of the Republic of Serbia. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 14:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Under international norms Kosova is no longer a part of Serbia as a matter of fact. To be part, Serbia should have control over Kosova which it clearly does not. This is the norm, nothing else. --Tubesship (talk) 16:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

No, under international norms Kosovo is still a part of Serbia. This is viewed in the fact Serbia is an internationally-recognized country with a claim over Kosovo - and Kosovo, which claims independence, isn't. Next to that, there is the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 according to which Kosovo is still a part of the Republic of Serbia and which is still valid for the supreme governing body of Kosovo, the United Nations Interim Administration Mission in Kosovo.

Nevertheless, I have shown to you already before how the European Commission for Enlargement depicts its view over "Kosovo under UNSCR 1244". Next to that, the Stabilization and Association Agreement that has been initiated by the end of the last year will be unchanged and signed very soon with the Serbian authorities, confirmed today by the Director for West Balkans of the EC. It refers to Kosovo as if a part of Serbia, under Article 135. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 23:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, here we obviously disagree. Please cite where it says that Kosova is now and forever part of Serbia? If the EU Commission would say so, their doings would contradict their sayings. --Tubesship (talk) 01:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Uh, did you see those two links I gave you to the up? Also I don't see any contradiction, it's just an excuse Serbian conservative nationalists invent as a means to justify their Euroscepticism. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 03:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Why do not you cite like I told you, if it is written in the linked article? --Tubesship (talk) 03:39, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Uh. If you see the Kosovo under UNSCR 1244 potential candidate profile - you'll see that on the map Kosovo is depicted as a part of Serbia. This is from its political profile:

Neighbours: former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Albania, Republic of Montenegro

Guess why Serbia is not a neighbor?

And in general, all the others - Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia and Montenegro - are referred to under their normal names. Kosovo is explicitly called "Kosoto under UNSCR 1244", because under international norms it's a part of Serbia.

See the map on the Serbia entry too. According to its political profile entry, Serbia borders Albania and Kosovo is mentioned as it part.

And this is article 135 of the Stabilisation and Association Agreement initiated with Serbia:

“

This treaty will be valid for, on one side, the territories to which the treaties on which the European community and the European Community for Atomic Energy are based are applied and in harmony to the conditions established by those treaties and to the territory of Serbia, on the other side.

This treat shall not apply to Kosovo which is at present under international administration pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 of 10 June 1999

”

Satisfied? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 03:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Again you failed to show where it is written that the status cannot change in the future. And exactly that is what happend with the DOI. I hope you will get over it soon. Honestly. --Tubesship (talk) 11:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

The Kosovo entry was put up after the PISG's UDI.

OK, here then. The Director for West Balkans of the European Commission for Enlargement Pierre Mirel was a guest to Belgrade yesterday. He had confirmed that he will sign with Serbian authorities the same treaty that was initiated months ago (I watched him).

“

As far as signing the Stabilization and Association Agreement (SAA) was concerned, Mirel said that he could not understand certain Serbian politicians who were ruling it out because of the EU’s position on Kosovo’s unilateral independence declaration, when the agreement stipulated that the province’s status was still governed by Resolution 1244, and that article was unchangeable as long as the resolution remained in force.

”

Now satisfied? Get over what? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 11:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Either your English or mine is not sufficient because our interpretation is so different. To me Pierre Mirels expression that he could not understand certain Serbian politicians means that he disagrees with them. --Tubesship (talk) 12:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Serbian nationalists and conservatives do not want to the European Union on the false argument that the EU is trying to, as Pierre sarcastically pointed out "kidnap Kosovo from Serbia", when this is absurd considering that it refers to UNSCR 1244. This will, btw, greatly strengthen the pro-Western Coalition for a European Serbia that will face of numerous false Patriots on 11 May. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 17:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:ARBMAC notice

After reading your reactions to Mister Beams incivility including compliments about him, I do think you are biased, so any other comments from your side on my talk page about "civility" would be regarded as an act of sarcasm. No need for that. Also please stop repeating yourself. No need for that, either. Thank you, Mister. --Tubesship (talk) 10:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Different situations call for different approaches. Notice also that I complimented him for his role in stabilizing the article; most definitely not for his incivility, which I expect him to end. - Regards, Ev (talk) 14:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

No compliment for his incivility? Well then... --Tubesship (talk) 23:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Persian Mesopotamia

Dear Tube, I was wondering if you could give your independent opinion here, after reading the article and the case . Thanks for your time. Chaldean (talk) 21:42, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

canvassing

Please see Wikipedia:Canvassing. It is "frowned-upon by many editors to send mass talk messages to those who expressed only a particular viewpoint on the previous debate, such as only "Keep" voters or only "Delete" voters." Superm401 - Talk 05:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I did not know about this WP rule. But nevertheless you are breaching consensus, therefore I was looking for assistance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kosovo#Split_completed --Tubesship (talk) 05:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

These are all the Wikipedia rules essentially, if you read through these now - you should have no problem (especially 3RR, new users constantly get confused over that one). Cheers. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 15:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi (from a friend)

Yeh sure, i'll support you with the redirect from Kosova to Kosovo. Its NPOV Ijanderson977 (talk) 16:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

You made me glad! :-) Tubesship (talk) 16:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry i wasnt there to help support your case when the consensus was breached. i was asleep haha. however if you need my support in the future, i gladly help argue your point. just ask again. Ijanderson977 (talk) 13:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, nice to hear that, but you do not need to be sorry as you were already a great help with your involvment. Thank you for that help. And now it is time for me to go to bed. Good night, Anderson! :-) --Tubesship (talk) 13:05, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello Kosovo Friend

Hi friend. There is no comparison between Taiwan and Kosovo. Due to its One-China policy, theTaiwan only participates in international organizations where it is not recognized as a sovereign country. In other words, they are still controlled by China no matter how much they are trying to prove otherwise. On the other hand, Kosovo IS NOT (and will never be) controlled by Serbia. So there is no comparison between the two. You might wish to visit Srebrenica Genocide Blog http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com - their latest article about US military assistance to Kosovo is of particular interest. 24.82.181.243 (talk) 03:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the link, I found it very interesting and I will try to spread the message. --Tubesship (talk) 06:21, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Haradinaj, the hero

... --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 00:05, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Haradinaj is free and aquitted of all charges. There is nothing more to say about this honest, humble and brave warrior fighting oodles of justified battles one after another for his country, losing two of his brothers on the battle ground but never stopped his fight until he reached independence for Kosova. Praise him or leave this discussion page as no defamation about him will be tolerated here. --Tubesship (talk) 06:37, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

There is no defamation, I just brought up the news. Didn't you hear about the appeal.

P.S. Lol, I'm sure you won't be talking like that when they issue the verdict against Vojislav Seselj. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 18:59, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

No rumors, please. And no, Seselj will never leave prison as a free man but as a dead cold person like Milosevic. Serbia seems to need a reeducation like post war Germany considering the propaganda people like you spread around the world. Only a reeducation will free people and open their eyes for the reality. But for that it needs an invasion of Serbia like it happend in Germany and a removing of the reigning political class in Serbia. Bombing of Belgrade was not enough to free this country from its self choosen isolation and irrationalism. It needs an invasion. Just keep on with your denying of the reality and D-Day will come closer and closer to Serbia. We are prepared to free and reeducate you. --Tubesship (talk) 22:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

HOORAY! FREE AT LAST!

http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAAAT00730220080403 Welcome back in newborn Kosova, dear hero brother Ramush Haradinaj! --Tubesship (talk) 15:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Did you write that to yourself? :D --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 14:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I wrote it to everyone to enjoy with upright, just people. Of course racists blinded by their hate will not enjoy. --Tubesship (talk) 14:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

If you were referring to me, the only thing I hate is injustice - and that is which happened with Haradinaj's case. I oppose it, just as I will oppose the sentence that will obviously given to Vojislav Seselj and when tens of thousands of ultra-nationalists will welcome the monster in Belgrade's airport. Just like I opposed the shameful ICTY verdict given to the Vukovar trio, responsible for the deaths of countless innocents. I can never understand ultra-nationalists that cheer to monsters responsible for the destruction of a beautiful country and the killings of tens of thousands, expulsion of millions. If anyone is blinded, it's those ultra-nationalists with their own over-obsession by their respective extreme nationalist dreams, or xenophobic hatred of their neighbors, whom they blame for most of their own errors. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 14:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Seselj will for sure sentenced to a very long time behind bars. And no, I am not a nationalist, but of course racists will try to get me in this corner, because they think "racially inferior" people do not deserve an own nation. --Tubesship (talk) 14:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I do not share the enthusiasm, and if he's sentenced, he will receive a shameful verdict just like Naser Oric. Such is the shameful the verdict for the Vukovar Trio (Veselin Šljivančanin). I have passed through heal in the Yugoslav wars and witnessed quite a lot, and learned to never spit on thousands of mutilated and slaughtered innocent. Respect for the victims, and not a opinion that war criminals didn't conduct an atrocity just because they belong to your own ethnic group, and the others did just because they don't.

I do not understand from which comment you extracted that I'm a racist. Perhaps you could clarify? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 15:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Pax the whole world believes in "innocent until proven guilty" since there is absolutely no case with Ramush Haradinaj then I am not sure what you are going on about. I'm also sick of the fact that Serbia has been nominating any individual who might have seen an UCK person to go the Hague. Get real. Kosova2008 (talk) 15:09, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Are you actually saying that Radovan Karadžić, Slobodan Milošević, Ratko Mladić, Janko Bobetko, Franjo Tuđman and Mate Boban are all innocent? No. They are all guilty to me and to a sane mind. And so is Haradinaj.

I'm not sure what you mean. Serbia didn't nominate every UCK-possible person, because if that occurred - there would've been several thousand more indicted over there. :D --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 15:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

There were Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising involved in killing Germans. Shall we consider them as murders? No, the aggressors were the Serbs and all others fought a justified war against this racists. I know about what I am talking because Serbian police brought my mother in 1960 into jail for 2 weeks only because she had worn a scarf and they accused her of showing a religious symbol. After that incident my parents left communist Yugoslavia. I know my enemies very well, I know what they did to my family and not only to my family. --Tubesship (talk) 16:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm referring to the fact there was ethnic cleansing, at least organized on local level, of western Kosovo (Dukagjin / Metohija) by the KLA of non-Albanians, during the late 1990s. Yes, you are talking about fighting an oppressor - but I'm not, I'm talking about targeting civilians in acts of terrorism to attract the authorities' attention and creating ethnically pure areas. Remember the Llapushnik camp for example? The Jews in Germany conducted no such thing, they were practically all slaughtered and exiled. The Communist Yugoslavia wasn't anti-Albanian if that is what you mean - it was anti-religious, and all forms of such public showing were persecuted. You cannot blame the entire Serbian nation for that, like Serb nationalists blame the entire Albanian nation for isolated incidents. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 16:27, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you are right, there is a difference between Albanians and Jews, the Albanians were not like lambs to the slaughter. Shall they feel sorry for that? Look, Mother Teresa was an Albanian, she was pacifistic like Mahatma Gandhi, but that does not mean that a nation can survive if all people of that nation would be like she was. There are times of peace and times of war, times to kill and times to heal. Mother Teresa is as much my idol as Ramush Haradinaj, the war hero who lost 2 of his brothers in this fight for his country and spent two years of his life innocent in jail, being acquitted of war crimes. I am proud of him as much as of Mother Teresa as a nation needs both of them. --Tubesship (talk) 16:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but comparing Maria Theresa to Ramush Haradinaj - a peacekeeper to a warrior - is incomparable. Not even by their acts, but by what they actually were. This is an open-scale insult to Maria, and I am sure she is turning in his grave. Unlike you, I don't pick people as heroes due to the fact that they belong to my ethnic group. My heroes are Zoran Đinđić, Ibrahim Rugova, Toše Proeski and Nikola Tesla. I know plenty of people over in Serbia who find Ratko Mladić a war hero, and I feel sorry for them. Just as I feel sorry for those for Ante Gotovina - and yes, Ramush Haradinaj too. There are times for war and times to hill only to the wicked ones, who bring chaos and instability to the world, hoping its foundations will collapse in their own perverted personal gains.

You still didn't explain why you consider me a racist, is pacifism and respect of victims racism to you? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 21:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Your comment shows that you did not get the point by mixing up Mother Teresa with Maria Theresa. Maybe it was trolling, I don't know. If so, I excuse myself for thinking you did not get the point and for feeding the troll. --Tubesship (talk) 21:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

http://bible.tmtm.com/wiki/Ecclesiastes_Chapter_3:

1: To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven

2: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted

3: A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up

4: A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance

5: A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing

6: A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away

7: A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak

8: A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

Therefore there is a time for Ramush Haradinaj and a time for Mother Teresa.

PS: Of course I like Tose, too. Here my favorite Youtube song of him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKRaXPYSzKY

I'm sorry for the mixup. I was always referring to Mother Teresa.

The Bible teaches a lot of thinks, but - don't get me wrong, I fully respect the true virtue of Christianity - it also contains a lot of controversial data. For instance, I much more prefer the New Testament, since it's obviously more "balanced". I don't like sources that openly justify genocide.

I don't know what you were trying to point out - maybe if pacifism is wrong, but I was talking about atrocities, and not actually taking up arms - to which I am in general always opposed, almost without exception. I also do not understand how pacifism precisely makes me a racist and a hater? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 23:47, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, there is a kind of false pacifism. I recognized it as the party "Die Grünen" in Germany decided to install a weapons boycott against the former states of Yugoslavia. The Yugoslav army had weapons but not the Bosnians. "Die Grünen" had a good conscience being a pacifistic party but the Bosnians had to pay the price for that. It was like if "Die Grünen" have said: "Look, Jesus said if they slap you in the face, show them your other cheek". So far so good, but Jesus did for sure not meant that you should say to another one, please show them your cheek as it is very cheap to ask another one to suffer for my own good conscience and it is for sure not Jesus way. This is what I call false pacifism: To let another one suffer for my own ideals. --Tubesship (talk) 01:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

You misread then my whole posts to the above - I am no such thing.

And even if I am a "false pacifist", whatever that meant, how does that make me a racist and hater (sic!)? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 03:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I guess you also misread my whole postings above. Never mind, such things can happen. --Tubesship (talk) 03:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

...--PaxEquilibrium (talk) 03:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Please restrain from repeating allegations, because I consider this as an act of defamation.--Tubesship (talk) 12:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

He was acquitted of murdering innocent, unarmed people and of commiting atrocities. You should learn to accept this fact and excuse yourself to Ramush Haradinaj instead of still making such outrageous accusations. Furthermore I will delete every of this accusations here on my talk page, so restrain from doing so, but I would expect and appreciate your excuse. --Tubesship (talk) 11:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

... --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 11:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

As I told you I will delete further unlinked and therefore unsourced citings. It makes also no sense to repeat the accusations he was acquitted from. Stop trolling on my talk page, please. --Tubesship (talk) 11:37, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

"...his book “The Story about War and Freedom.” --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 11:53, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I googled and the one and only page mentioning this book is a Serbian propaganda page so I doubt the existence of this book. And again, please restrain from repeading allegations he was acquitted from, because I consider this as defamation. --Tubesship (talk) 12:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)BTW: If this book exists, please give me its ISBN or tell me where to buy it.

A Narrative about War and Freedom: Dialog with the Commander Ramush Haradinaj by Bardh Hamzaj, Ramush Haradinaj and Engjëllushë Morina; 2000, ZERI, Pristina. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 00:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Again, this book has neither an ISBN nor is it purchaseable anywhere, it's existence is serbian propaganda. --Tubesship (talk) 05:16, 13 May 2008 (UTC)