Talk:Tsushima, Nagasaki

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I don't see why Mr Tan moved this article against our current policy. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related_articles)#Place names. --Nanshu 03:47, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Name 2 Copyediting 3 Tsushima Island & Tsushima, Nagasaki 4 Tourism 5 Tidying up? 6 Seashore pollution 7 POV tag

[edit] Name

Tsushima, Nagasaki can pertain to anything called Tsushima in Nagasaki. It can merely refer to the Tsushima Islands, which is part of the Nagasaki prefecture and can also be called Tsushima, Nagasaki. Therefore, to be more specific, I recommend that the name Tsushima city should be used since it is a city.

Tan 22:35, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Tsushima island whole region is Tsushima city. And,it is clear like "Nagasaki, Nagasaki" that "Tsushima, Nagasaki" means "Tsushima city". Is it necessary to change into the name which you recommended???

--YAZASHI 15:31, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mr Tan, if you disagree, propose a revision of the MoS. If your proposal is approved by the community, then move this article as you like. Otherwise, don't move it. --Nanshu 02:17, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Copyediting

It seems that the article may need copyediting. I don't know, but if copyeditors think that the article is okay, he or she may remove it.

Mr Tan 07:51, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tsushima Island & Tsushima, Nagasaki

I just want to point out how terrible these articles are... I'm not sure if WikiProject Japan is catching onto these errors or not...

Here are the problems, which I just can't fix but only point out because they're controversial, I myself am not learned enough about the island, and I don't have many sources available (only English internet, can't read Japanese) about the subject.

• "Tsushima is geographically close to the Korean Peninsula, so environmental problems arising from South Korea affect Tsushima."This statement shines like gold right above the "quality cleanup notice"... which should be really "NPOV notice". Couldn't environmental problems arising from Japan have at least some effect on Tsushima as well? I don't get what this statement's getting at. A thesis or something.

• This situation calls for the patrol vessel of the Tsushima Maritime Safety Department of Japan to mobilize. However, in spite of an oral warning from the patrol vessel, a South Korean hovercraft may ram the patrol vessel or throw things such as Molotov cocktails or kitchen knives and generally fight back. This section seems like a strawman argument because it sounds so stupid that whoever wrote this must have been xxx & readers would guess that a Japanese wrote it --> makes Japanese look bad. Anyways, in order to be neutral, I think that you have to give specific examples (i.e. newspaper articles) of the Korean boats escaping the patrol boats (which I would assume as impossible), and also efforts from the S. Korean government (I'm sure there must be) in order to stop the fishing... Also statistics or something that indicates how much illegal fishing is done in the area.

• Moreover, the maritime safety official of Japan who fought against the South Korean hovercraft was abducted on June 1, 2005....and the Japanese maritime safety official was rescued. This section (abridged) sounds like a fairy tale or something. Maybe the abductees were N. Koreans. Any citation?

• About this problem, a certain Masan member of a city council says "Since the garbage which drifted ashore is South Korean garbage, it should clean up by Masan visiting to Tsushima periodically." Citation please.

• About the polyeth..skdjl bottle, what's the point of mentioning it? I don't like how the section claims that pollution comes from S. Korea, links it vaguely to the catch of a PET bottle, and then concludes that S. Koreans are the cause of toxic wastes in Tsushima. Too much POV implications here.

• On May 20, 2006, a combined team comprising of South Korean students and locals from Tsushima jointly cleaned up the polluted beaches along Tsushima. [1] And then here's a reference! FINALLY! The last sentence of the entire article has a reference! Congrats minna. Not everyone, the JPOV kids. This article was well invested by JPOV editors to express whatever animosity they possess for their neighboring country. Half of the article was about S. Korean pollution. So, if you don't want to hear all these, please fix them within your own public sphere. (Wikimachine 01:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Tourism

"Tsushima lacks any English signs" I lived on Tsushima for 10 months and there were definitely some English signs. The major roads usually had town names written in Japanese, Korean and Roman characters. Many shrines and other places of interest also have descriptive plaques in English.

75.82.25.193 07:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

A quick googling showed me pics like this and this. I deleted the sentence "Tsushima lacks any English signs". Kzaral (talk) 10:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tidying up?

Some of this article reads a bit poorly, perhaps someone can come and clean up the grammar a bit.

[edit] Seashore pollution

It seems that garbages drifted from Korea affected a certain degree of the beach pollution in Tsushima. One recent article published by YonhapNews of South Korea reported that Japanese and Korea students gathered about 50 tons of garbages and about 30% of them was appeared to be from Korea (http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/bulletin/2007/10/09/0200000000AKR20071009194400051.HTML). However, it is not close to 80 percent as described in the main article.--Bin2k1 11:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV tag

This concerns POV tag cleanup. Whenever an POV tag is placed, it is necessary to also post a message in the discussion section stating clearly why it is thought the article does not comply with POV guidelines, and suggestions for how to improve it. This permits discussion and consensus among editors. This is a drive-by tag, which is discouraged in WP, and it shall be removed. Future tags should have discussion posted as to why the tag was placed, and how the topic might be improved. Better yet, edit the topic yourself with the improvements. This statement is not a judgement of content, it is only a cleanup of frivolously and/or arbitrarily placed tags. No discussion, no tag.Jjdon (talk) 00:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)