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[edit] Georgia

The following section is deleted, since it is irrelevant: it speaks about Georgian royalty and nobility (and includes a piece of the full Tsar's title). Please find a place for it, like, Nobity or royalty of Georgia or something in category:Georgia (country). `'mikka 21:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Georgia

After Russia had established its protectorate over the (also Eastern Orthodox) kingdom of Georgia, the Russian Emperor recognised the following styles and titles as of 24th September 1783 (Old Style)

• for its 'Hereditary Sovereign and Prince' (in fact now a vassal) until the annexation, when he himself added this realm to his full style with the same title of Tsar: The Most Serene Tsar (reign name), by the will of our Lord, Tsar of Kartli, Tsar of Kakheti, Hereditary Prince of Samtzkhé-Saatabago, Ruling Prince of Kazakh, Borchalo, Shamshadilo, Kak, Shaki, and Shirvan, Prince and Lord of Ganja and Erivan, with the style of His Majesty; however these Russian designations were largely ignored in Georgia by the Georgians themselves, who continued to use the ancient styles and titles (varying in time, but here is the latest example): The Mepe-Umaglesi 'Most High King' (reign name), by the will of our Lord, Mepe-Mepeta 'King of Kings' of the Abkhazis, Kartvelians, Ranians, Kakhetians and the Armenians, Shirvanshah and Shahanshah (two Persian titles, royal viz. imperial) and Master of all the East and West.
• All sons of the Georgian Sovereign, including the Heir, were styled: Tsarevitch 'Prince' (given name) (father's name) Grouzinskii, i.e. Prince of Georgia, with the style of His Highness.
• All legitimate male descendants of Kings Irakli II and Giorgi XII, in the male line, were styled: Kniaz 'Prince' (given name) (father's name) Grouzinskii, i.e. Prince of Georgia, with the style of His Serene Highness.
• More remote princes of the blood or descendants in the natural line, also received the title of Kniaz (given name) (father's name) Bagration (the name of the royal dynasty, which has also ruled in Armenia), frequently with a territorial or other designation, e.g. Bagration-Mukhranskii 'Bagration of Mukhrani'.

[edit] Russian Tsars vs Russian czars

Russian Tsars redirects to Tsar.

Russian czars redirects to List of Russian rulers.

I don't know which is the better target - they both have merit - but it seems very wrong that they lead to different places. Any comments? Let's discuss at Talk:Russian Tsars.

Jordan Brown 06:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Absent any comments, I decided that if somebody really wanted generic information on Tsars they wouldn't say "Russian", and so changed Russian Tsars to redirect to List of Russian rulers, matching Russian czars. Jordan Brown 01:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Heir of Norway

Why Russian Tsar was the "Heir of Norway"? Norway never was Russian territory. Moscvitch 13:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

The daughter of Peter the Great married the Duke of Holstein-Gottorp. Their son was Emperor Peter III of Russia, and all later tsars were (presumptively) his agnatic descendants. The dukes of Holstein-Gottorp were cadets of the royal house of Denmark. The Royal House of Denmark ruled Norway until 1814. As such, the Dukes of Holstein-Gottorp held the title of "Heir of Norway" (which, unlike Denmark before the 1650s or so, was a hereditary rather than an elective ones). The tsars continued to use the title. john k 05:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

IT IS CZAR for Russia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ACV777 (talk • contribs) 18:25, 24 March 2007.

[edit] Tsar?

The little Empires that flung from the Serbian Empire - where they ruled by tsars too? --PaxEquilibrium 20:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

There were no Empires that slung from Serbia after 1355. Most of the independent rulers had the titles despot or kral (king); no one remained tsar. --Gligan 05:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gaurav

Hi This is Gaurav —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.54.243.56 (talk) 11:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Gaurav. How are you? 74.194.22.110 (talk) 05:33, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changing Name of Article

I recommend that the name of this article should be changed from Tsar to Czar. I think we should because it is the more common use of the two different spellings. The Wikipedia spell-check program doesn't even consider it a word. On May 12, 2008, I will change the title, unless I am convinced otherwise. 'edmonton_guy'

Don't even think about doing with without going to WP:RM. It is controversial. Charles 00:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I oppose a change to "czar." Tsar is correct. --Bookworm857158367 (talk) 02:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Why exactly is "Tsar" correct? Like I said before, I have most commonly seen it spelt as "Czar". 'edmonton_guy'

I am the one who requested the change. Could somebody else please put the request on the WP:RM page for me? I am not sure how too. 'edmonton_guy'

No, you will have to do it yourself. No one else here wants the title to change so far. Charles 18:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I will no longer be making the change. 'edmonton_guy' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edmonton guy (talk • contribs) 00:48, 7 May 2008 (UTC)