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[edit] Jinnah
You can open a discussion section if you want to see if you can add that passage. visit wiki NPOV, and importance of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:RS which are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:CITE. omerlivesOmerlives 01:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
so far I dont see any discussion on Jinnah on the article's talk page. That's the page for you to discuss anyting objected to in the aticle. omerlivesOmerlives
OMERLIVES: I GUESS NO ONE GIVES A HOOT ABOUT JINNAH EXCEPT FOR YOU, SO I THINK WHAT I WROTE WAS NOT NOT VANDALISM AT ALL. DONT YOU THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO TELL THE PUBLIC THAT MUSLIM LEAGUE WAS FOUNDED BY AGHA KHAN, WHO INCIDENTLY WAS MADE A PRINCE OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE FOR HELPING FIGHT THE FREEDEOM FIGHTERS IN INDIA. AND BY THE WAY HIS TITLE OF AGHA KHAN WAS RECINDED WHEN THE KING OF IRAN SENTENCED THIS MAN TO DEATH FOR HIS BELIEF THEREBY CAUSING AGHA KHAN TO RUN OF TO INDIA FROM PERSIA. HISTORY CANNOT BE REWRITTEN IT IS ALWAYS THERE. ?
TRUEBLOOD786
[edit] User_talk:RickK vandalism
Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. SushiGeek 09:50, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
HOW CAN YOU CONSIDER WHAT I WROTE VANDALISM ?
TRUEBLOOD786
Listen, first learn to sign your name as by typing 3 or 4 tildas (~) after your nickname, so that your name is hyperlinked and i tis easier for people to comunicate with you. Secondly, learn that your opinions do not count as fact. I have an opinion about many world figures, and events which other may or maynot agree with. When you make such a fantastic claim, always use a langauge which does not reflect a rabid point of view, so first know how to use a an NPOV language. Secondly, If you make such an edit, ANY administrator or user who has contributed to the article helping to make it a "Featured article" will delete it. Go ahead try and if you keep doing the edit, you will be banned. It is not personal, though, yes, I am amused by your attitude buddy. And most importantly, if you have issues, questions, problems or want to make a major change in an article, then first discuss it in the discussion page. The discussion tab is right next to the article tab just like your use page here. SO go and open a topis there and write what and why you want to add what you want. You'll get a response or two. you'll see. omerlivesOmerlives 21:01, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
lol whatever. Omerlives 03:45, 21 June 2006 (UTC) Oh and I am not Punjabi. ciao.
Trueblood, Jinnah's religion has been mentioned along with his political predilection. He was not religious. Neither did he found Pakistan in the name of religion IMO. In any event, the info you wanted to mention was not acceptable according to wikipedia policy anyways. Omerlives BTW you dont need to write your name everytime. Just put tildas thrice or 4 times if you also want to mention the time and date you made the entry. Omerlives 06:27, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Tribes?
You wrote on my talk page: "I checked into the Sudhan tribe and the Sadozai, there is no consenses if they are the same tribe therefore I suggest that Sudhan should be kept as a separate article rather than Sadozai. Can you comment, I will get the information including the citations to fix the article."
I have no idea what you are talking about. Maurreen 18:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] lower the caps
It is considered impolite to write with your caps lock on. It comes across as brash, impolite and loud. Other than that you have your right to your opinion regarding Pakistan, Pakistanis, Islam, Jinnah, Israel, Hindus and so forth. I just don't agree with you. Omerlives 19:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Poonch
I suppose you were the one who left that message on my Talk page.
Bhai,
When did I say that Jehlum is in Poonch? When did I say that Alexander came to Poonch? (Read what I wrote carefully.) And regarding the Punjabis, you must know that when Poonch was annexed by Runjeet Singh, and later when it was given to Raja Moti Singh, many Punjabis were brought here. My family is one of them.
I know the facts I need to know. I started this page and someone redirects the Poonch(Rawalakot) page to this one and edits as per his/her likings!? If that was you and you want to write some thing about the history and developments of AJK's Poonch, you are free to do that, provided that you do it at the right place.
Regards.
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[edit] Sudhun
Hi, I noticed an article that you have helped to create called Sudhun. Can you provide any sources of information about this group? From the article, I am having a difficult time understanding what it is supposed to be about and most of the references to "Sudhun" that I find when performing a web search are either links to this article or are somebody's last name. Please note that Wikipedia content should be verifiable. In other words, you should give reliable sources for information that you add to articles. Thank you. --BigDT 03:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
If you read the last part of the article it has about 20 references about the tribe. it is a tribe in Kashmir with about 500,000 members. Its members are also listed. I hope this helps. trueblood 03:23, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
- The "references" section mentions several people who were or are members of this tribe. None of the four "external links" seem to be related to this tribe. When an article cites its sources, or references, this means that you should give the websites, books, newspapers, magazines, etc, from which you obtained the information given in the article. Where did the information in the article come from? Do you have a website that I could visit that would give me information about this tribe? Thanks. --BigDT 03:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
You can get the article about this tribe from :Modern academic studies that mention the Sudhans include Alexander Evans's 2005 article in Asian Affairs: http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/routledg/raaf/2005/00000036/00000001/art00003
Also the Official government of Azad Kashmir website has references to this tribes district it is called Sudnuti. Also see Poonch. thanks
trueblood 03:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Also see http://www.saag.org/papers3/paper286.html
the references are to Gen Aziz who was a General in Pak Army and is a member of the tribe. By the way I am also member of this tribe. So believe me it is not a hoax.
Quote from the article on above web site: After a series of consultations with the National Security Council (NSC), some of his Corps Commanders and his kitchen Cabinet, Gen. Musharraf has reportedly decided to send Major Gen Mohammad Anwar Khan, who belongs to the powerful Sudhan tribe and is a resident of Tain village in district Poonch, which is also the home village of the Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir (POK) Legislative Assembly Speaker Sardar Siab Khalid, to Muzaffarabad to be "elected" on August 1 as the so-called President of the POK on the ticket of the Muslim Conference allied to the Pakistan Muslim League (PML) of Nawaz Sharif, now living in exile in Saudi Arabia.
- Ok ... thank you ... you have helped to allay my concerns. I would strongly suggest cleaning the article up some. Also, with respect to the pictures, in general, unless there is something important about all of the people depicted, the article probably doesn't need that many pictures. Thank you. --BigDT 03:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Your help is appreciated. Will keep in mind
trueblood 03:41, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I also created a new articel Islamic Cults maybe you can look at it also ?
trueblood 03:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] reply
look at why he was blocked, you'll see.--Urthogie 02:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
- This is linked from the block message.--Urthogie 04:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] RE: Help
Unfortunately I am not familiar with this term. I have a friend from Pakistan that I may be able to ask one of these days. Depending if she is not too busy with college and checks her email. If not, my apologies for not being to help.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 04:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Again, I must apologize but I really am not familiar with Islam unfortunately. I'm too Californianized for my own good. However as far as Persian culture, I might be able to help a bit more. But in regards to practicing the Muslim faith, I do not possess a strong enough knowledge of it.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 04:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Help
Can you please help on the following by entering the dicussion.
Aga Khani Islamic Cults
In India and Pakistan the followers of Aga Khan are known as Aga Khani so I need you help on this, secondly as in India where Rajneesh had a cult there are many Islamic cults and I need your help on that as well.
Can you join in the discussion
trueblood 04:34, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
- Nice meeting you. I also thank you for your message. I have heard about Aga Khani and have read some articles about him but I do not have deep understanding of the matter you are talking about. I think you may please contact some other editor who may be knowledgeable about this matter. Regards. --Bhadani 05:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah here in Pakistan(sepcially Karachi) ,many Agha Khani live.i have friend he is Agha Khani (some times some ppls use Ismali term for them i do nt knw why). Aghan Hosptial staff are 99% aghani khani.
Khalidkhoso 06:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
check i have written more sects in Islamic Cults.
I've just tried to make the article more NPOV (at least at the intro). A lot of work should be done and bringing reliable sources is necessary. -- Szvest - Wiki me up ® 10:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Ref. your note: the term Aga Khani literally means of Aga Khan. A rough translation would be Followers of Aga Khan. Though I don't konw much about the sect, you can rest assured that it exists. The other term used to describe the members of the sect is Ismaili. I am not sure if Aga Khani sect is an offshoot/part of Ismaili sect or not. Sorry for not beung much help. I'll post more if I find more about it. Mahalo --Vikas Kumar Ojha Talk to me! 16:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
- Hi. ref. your note, I have updated the above comment with a confirmation from one of my muslim friends and posted it on the Afd discussion page. I would suggest you to expand the article a little and search a few more reliable sources/citations on web. I personally do not have an opinion so would like to remain nuetral. Let me know if you need any help. Mahalo! --Vikas Kumar Ojha Talk to me! 23:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
- Hi. Sorry for the late response. This is ref. your note about putting my comments on preloaded discussion page. If you mean the Afd discussion page, I put my comments there. If you mean the article discussion (talk) page, wide this edit someone already pasted my comment there. Thanks! --Vikas Kumar Ojha Talk to me! 07:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Discussion of Islamic Cults
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[edit] Sudhun
Hi there, thank you for your message. Unfortunately, this is a recurrent theme here on wikipedia. With so many contributers with their opinions etc. it is hard to get the job done. Only an admin can block a user or lock a page. Here is the best process to follow in preparation to inviting an admin.
- 1. Invite the discussion on the discussion board and invite all users for it.
- 2. Offer your opinion and state your case with referenced sources and distinguish your opinions from these sources (opinions are not allowed in an encyclopedia. But if they are reflective of a cited reference from any publication or literary source, then by all means include it with a footnote etc)
- 3. Set up a disputed tag (I will try and set this up for you) and invite wiki admins through arbcom to come and help mediate this matter, as long as all parties are amicable and respectful.
- 4. Stay focussed and committed. Don't lose hope and don't get pulled into futile arguments and personal abuse, as it will either stress you out more or get you banned. Worst of all, the Sudhun article will still remain unfinished.
Hope that helps. Good luck True Blood786.--Raja 16:44, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] sock puppets
I have invited the user Sudozai to discuss the issue as he doesn't appear to be a sockpuppet.
The other user Sadozai Khan is clearly the Leeds sock puppet and only appeared on the scene after I retorted his points (very typical of him to try and evade detection). He has been warned and put up on to the sock puppet account. Now go ahead and make the changes on the article that will incorporate all views in a neutral and healthy way. Hope that helps.--Raja 11:58, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Reference tags
I have replied to your question on the Sudhun talk page under the Reference tags header. It's simple, but you mjust always add the full info of the source you quote, i.e. The name of the book, the author, year of Publish, Publish house and copyright date, and the page numbers.
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[edit] Local info re Sudhun
I have got in touch with some of the elders and their contacts in Rawalpindi, Kahuta who know Sudhans very well from there.
I can now see your frustration. All the elders were unanimous that the Sudhuns, althoguh quite a respectable and military tribe also, are definitely not Pathan at all, neither have they heard of such an assertion has been made by them. They say that the Sudhan titles are Sardar, whilst some very remotely also call themselves Raja and claim a Rajput ancestry (consist with your claims re Glossary of Tribes etc)
Another point here is a very interesting one also. Apparently Sudhans are well established near them in Rawalpindi and hold some decent land. This would be very strange for them to be this well established in such a short period within the Sadozai conquer of the area and the subsequent Sikh empire ovethrow. Logistically and plausibility would be against the Pathan origin point. The Sudhans of Rawalpindi have extensive relations with Kashmir which would make sense that they are one and the same tribe as we are discussing here.
I have the Rawalpindi Gazzetteer with me and I will check it up for you for any references to do with your tribe in there.
In the meantime, keep up the work.--Raja 20:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks
trueblood 05:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Shaukat Aziz
You wrote the following phrase: "Thus Mr. Aziz was nothing but a local office manager and later money laundering kingpin laundering money for corrupt officials form third world countries." How is that not a POV statement? PBP 03:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Okay I agree with you on that but the rest was no POV, dont you agree.
trueblood 03:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Warning
Stop adding rhetorical nonsense to the Pakistan Army article. If you continue to do this, your account will be frozen and you will be banned. Mercenary2k 04:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
If you wanna go for the mediator. Go for it. But with your checkered history of vandalism, you dont have a good chance of your rhetoric becoming part of wikipedia. Mercenary2k 04:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
All of what I wrote about the ISI is backed by facts and properly cited. Just what exactly is in dispute? please tell me. don't make grandiose statements. I can obviously tell you are someone who hates Pakistan. Wikipedia is not a place to vent out rage and frustration. If you wanna do that against Pakistan, I suggest you go start a blog.Mercenary2k 04:29, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Pakistan Army
Hi Trueblood,
As always, I suggest that you work with the people you have trouble with, try and reach a consensus. I dont have much time right now, but I will Inshallah try my best for you guys to calm and talk in agreement, with peaceful debate. Remember, we all read the same Qalima guys, let's be neutral and informative. This is an encyclopedia, but not the be all and end all of all things knowledge.
I suggest you open the debate on the discussion page and we'll take things from there.--Raja 00:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Stop It
Look, stop editing the Pakistan Army page repeatedly to insert negative and incorrect information. The PA did not lose 7000 men in the Kargil conflict, and even though the real figure is much, much lower, it is still not conclusively known. Therefore, it is best to omit mention of the casualty count in the main PA article. If you have a look at the US Army page, you will realize that it does not list the casualty count of the American soldiers for wars they fought in the main article, and I'd like to keep the same format for the Pakistan Army article.
And why are you so bent upon posting pictures of captured Pakistani troops and the surrender photograph on the PA page? I have pictures of captured Indian troops from the various wars, I don't go around pasting them on the Indian Army page, so please STOP. Stop your attempts to besmirch the Pakistan Army. Nobody will let you put up a picture of an American humvee being blown to bits in Iraq by an IED on the US Army page, and we don't want you to post pictures displaying Indian victories on our Army's page. The German army article dosen't have pictures of Wehrmact soldiers lying dead on the streets of Berlin. Get my point? Zaindy87 18:02, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- I must agree on this point. In fact, I am quite surprised at what I am reading trueblood. I did my best for your Sudhan article in light of the vandalism on there, and you appeared quite capable most of that duration, to work with the scope of wiki in this respect. I request that the same consideration be given here.
- Before you reply, my reasons for believing the above points by Zaindy are that I can see you have not added any info other than negative info regarding the subject. Surely the sources you have consulted must have some balanced info? You can argue POV etc, but the behaviour is indicative of POV. Also some of your comments towards Pakistanis being referred to as Pakis (and that it is the acceptable norm in US) is also surprising, especially in the sense that Bush's aide retracted the point and never tried justifying it. Also personal uncited info regarding people on wiki is liable to legal action wiki and also in bad taste for it's repute. Whatever your feelings towards your neighbouring nation, have some respect for your fellow Musalmaans from there and try to be a little more civil.
- I dont want to go further into the sock puppetry route (I trust you understand what I mean, without making further points and others understanding), so let's have a fresh beginning and try to work together. Especially as the personal interest to you, no doubt, would be that many Sudhan's are actually soldiers and high ranking officers of the Pakistan Army also. Hence if pedantic reasoning is to be applied, then this info should also be included. (Like I said, let's not go there, and instead work together in civility).
- I apologise if I said something to hurt you lil bro, I just dont want to see a decent user make mistakes and get caught up in a mess. It can be a pain on wiki sometimes, trust me I know. I dont believe in just telling friends where they are right, I also believe in being a critical friend too. If you understand what I have said, and respect it, you will value friendships all the more bro.--Raja 23:32, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image of ISI HQ
You sure thats the image of the parliament building?
This is the site where I got it from....
Mercenary2k 19:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok man ok. I beleive you. Thats why I have not re-instered the image. Mercenary2k 03:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] About user
The user, Zaindy has already been uploading multiple copyvio images and falsely tagging it as fair use and believe it or not even CC. Im therefore requesting all his photos be deleted and the user be banned for violating WP copyrights policy including falsification of tags. Idleguy 04:14, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- Can you kindly provide with his other usernames which are suspected to be his? It would help a lot. Thanks Idleguy 05:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Cisco Utah
Emergy Telecom is the rural phone company that serves Greenriver, Utah, Price Utah and Cisco. So before you make allegations check the phone book.
see the website http://www.etv.net/
trueblood 05:16, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
- Except for the website you link is for "Emery Telcom" (no G). Emergy Telcom, which you insist in linking to Cisco does not exist 75.141.208.84 07:35, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
- Had you properly sourced the article, then this wouldn't have happened, I would have discovered the mispelling and fixed it myself. When there are no sources, I'm left alone with my search engine, and sometimes that doesn't always arrive at the right answer. But while we're at it, you're going to need to do a far better job of sourcing the article. I cannot find any sources confirming that Wayne Stout and Tariq Imran Ahmad own the town. I cannot find any sources that prove that Emery Telecom put a T1 line into Cisco, and that they would soon be providing high speed internet. You say that the well in town is Gibraltar No. 1, but the government thinks that the name is "Gibralter" [1] (page 10). Thats not to say that all this isn't true, and that there are plenty of sources to support it, its just that I can't find any. I'm going to add fact tags to these items in the article, but if they're not taken care of in a reasonable amount of time, then likely somebody will remove them. Thank you. - CosmicPenguin (Talk) 13:56, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Speedy deletion of Ahmad Tariq Imran
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[edit] Ahmad Tariq Imran (copied from here)
Why was this article deleted. It is obviously an article that concerns an executive of a US company therefore it should not have been deleted —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trueblood786 (talk • contribs) 02:46, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
- The reasons that Ahmad Tariq Imran was deleted are listed here. Ahmad Tariq Imran was deleted per CSD A7 - No reasonable assertion of importance/significance. Being an executive of a US company is an ordinary resume item. If you disagree with the deletions, please follow the steps to list a new deletion review. Thanks. -- Jreferee t/c 15:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sex scandal supreme court of pakistan
I have read that article and many article discussing that.Although i do not doubt the cabaility of ISI to indulge in such low level activities we should quote "exactly"what the article says. No.1.The article does not mention oath under PCO,it is all about the decision on Musharraf's uniform,seocndly the language used in the article can be a guideline to what is posted.Secondly the article mentions no sources,it might be or might not be accruate.No.3.It mentions no name,so if you put it on dogar's page you should mention the reason it is there.. [[2]]
[edit] Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry
With at least eight reverts in the past three days, it appears that an edit war is brewing over the Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry article. Rather than continue to revert other editors, please discuss your concerns on the talk page in order to build consensus first. If people keep reverting each other, I may be forced to protect the article. --Kralizec! (talk) 02:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
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