Talk:Troy Aikman

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Defintely biased: i.e. "Switzer knew Aikman had a great future, but it wasn't at Oklahoma. He called his friend Terry Donahue, and got him into pass-happy UCLA.". Shouldn't this simply say "Aikman then transferred to UCLA, a team better known for passing plays"

In 1994, Dallas again won the Super Bowl, again blowing the Bills off the field. If they won again in 1995, they would become the first team in history to win three straight. But, Jones and Johnson couldn't keep their massive egos in check, each man taking credit for the team's success.

"Blowing the Bills off the field"? "Massive egos"? This looks like something a 12-year old wrote.

I think even a neutral observer would agree that the Cowboys did blow the Bills off the field in both Super Bowls they played.

The article is rather brash in tone, reads rather like an American Football commentry. But as a brit with at least a passing interest in the game, and no particular team loyalty to be offended I'm probably as neutral an observer as you find. I don't see the NPOV issue. The piece shows Aikman in a favorable light, but then his achevements rather speak for themselves.. Probably the piece would be more useful on an international basis if it didn't assume quite as much background knowledge in US College football, the baseball draft, and football lingo generally, but I really don't see the NPOV issue. Shoka

• Buffalo was leading at halftime in the second game.
• Johnson and his massive ego was no longer coaching the team in 1994, it was Barry Switzer
• As anyone who knows football can verify, it was turnovers that ruined Dallas' chances in the NFC Championship game. The 49ers got 21 points off of 3 turnovers in the first quarter. While the defense held MVP Steve Young in check, the deficit was too much for the 'Boys to overcome. Don't blame egos for Aikman's picks, Irvin's fumble, and whatever the name of that other guy who fumbled was.

--MJR 21:08, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Do his investments in a racing cars and something called pro trade seem rather trivial for the introduction?

Possibly the racing cars, but definitely the pro trade, which seems like link spam. Will remove the latter. --Claygate 03:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Mack Brown 2 No Picture? 3 Come on.... 4 The Heck? 5 Personal 6 Oklahoma Sooners Accomplishments & Awards

[edit] Mack Brown

Mack was the OC during aikman's tenure there. Aikman says so himself. Corpx 03:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Not true. Jim Donnan was the OC. Brown was OC in 1984, but had moved to Tulane in 1985.--Tjcthree 16:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Mack Brown was the OC in 1984, which was during Aikman's 'tenure'. Danny Bradley was the starting QB that year, though. Jim Donnan was the OC in 1985, when Aikman went 3-1 as the OU starter before being injured in the Miami game.→Deser† sapper•≈talk 16:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No Picture?

Just curious.. why no picture?
Jaymzyates 23:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

There have been a couple of different ones on the article but have been removed for reasons of copyright. A public domain image is needed. I thought the previous one was OK because it was a promotional image but others disagreed. --Claygate 01:35, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I really think this site needs a picture. I find it hard to understand why it doesn't. If you say the first picture was OK then leave it. ETod09 22:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Come on....

I'm a lifelong Cowboys and Aikman fan, but crap like this needs to be removed: "...fans were taking notice of the blond-haired, blue-eyed leader...". It's like a damn magazine article. I'd edit it, but I don't want to screw up or do the article injustice. James 00:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Good point, has been removed and another irrelevant sentence about advertising was also edited. The paragraphs about the first couple of seasons are long and could stand further clean up. --Claygate 03:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Heck?

What the heck is that thing saying that Troy Aikman fell in love with a 13 year old boy? Ka-Ris

[edit] Personal

Fixed Aikman's marriage information and children with citation. Negative/erroneous information removed.→Deser† sapper•≈talk 16:32, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I can see the desire is there to throw Skip Bayless' claims about both Barry Switzer and Troy Aikman from his Hell-Bent book into a "non-biased" article about Aikman, but none of the claims were ever substantiated, even if they are carried in depth on several gay/lesbian websites. Whether Switzer insinuated that Aikman was gay or not, neither Aikman nor Switzer admitted it. The claims were never substantiated by a third party. In essence, Bayless made unsubstantiated claims that should not be represented as substantiated truths in a verifiable, non-biased article. There is no need for anything beyond what is in the article right now.→Deser† sapper•≈talk 21:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oklahoma Sooners Accomplishments & Awards

Under the "Career Information" section, why is his association with Oklahoma under "College" always deleted; as well as his national championship with the team in 1985 (in which he started for and won games) in the "Career Highlights and Awards"? There is NO debate over this, it is a fact. So stop deleting it please. YOU DELETED IT AGAIN! So, I will keep editing it until you provide a reason. Who are you anyway? Some obsessed UCLA fan who can't accept that he played for another school, and actually won a national championship with them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.91.133.148 (talk) 08:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Does anybody agree with me when I say he only got into the Hall of fame because of the Super Bowls, I mean look at his stats they werent any good, he only threw more than 20 TD's 1, thats ridiculous, and only threw 165 career, thats no HOF number to me, there are other QB's who have way better stats then him, Boomer Esiason had more TD's and yards, he aint in the HOF. OVERRATED!!--Rockies17 04:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

it's a well-known fact that aikman is one of the most overrated qb's in league history among most nfl historians and fans. he had highly mediocre to even below average stats, especially being surrounded by some of the best talent the game has known (michael irvin, emmitt smith, that beast offensive line). his success as a quarterback was largely due to the system he played in which generated an incredible amount of wins year after year, while also having the best running back in the game. (people talk about brady being a system quarterback, but the pats 3 superbowls are because of HIM. aikman's 3 superbowls were because of everything else that doesnt have to do with the passing game). merely because of 3 superbowl wins which were largely due to the inferior talent of the afc at the time and the rest of players surrounding him (the great defense and running game), doesnt mean he's the greatest. alot of people agree with u, rockies17, don't think ur losing ur mind, because ur correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.71.19 (talk) 02:06, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

thank you, somebody has finally answered after more than 2 months and agreed with me, you are totally right, he actually kind of sucked when you think about it considering he couldnt throw at least 25-30 TD's each season with a receiver like Irvin and a back like Emmith--Rockies 17^{Holla at Ya Boy!} 05:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)