Talk:Tropical Storm Alpha (disambiguation)

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[edit] Looking for Alpha

I added an entry on the page for alpha to mention the use of this name(term?) in the Atlantic hurricane season. --TimL

[edit] Main Page

This article should be moved to the Main Page since it is making history.

When you move an article to the main page, it should be because of exemplary writing, not the subject matter, no matter how fascinating. Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde 00:34, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
It's history only to those who follow tropical cyclones. The other 99.9999% of the world don't care. B.Wind 01:46, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Based on current viewer levels for tropical storm coverage on CNN, Fox News and The Weather Channel, I think that your 99.9999% estimate might just be in error. Many are following it: particularly in the Caribbean and Gulf and Atlantic coasts of the U.S. --Sturmde 03:50, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
I seriously doubt that more than 70,000 people would care that either A) Alpha was the 22nd named Atlantic storm in 2005, or B) that the 22nd named Atlantic storm broke any records whatsoever. They're much more concerned about the Katrinas, Ritas, and Wilmas than any storm that is barely in existence and not threatening home, friends, or relatives. B.Wind 08:15, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
If anything should be placed on the main page it is 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, which includes not only Alpha but the whole record-breaking process of getting there. Jdorje 05:50, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Obviously, only American deaths seem to matter to some of you to determine historical value. I'm sure the residents of Haiti and the DR will remember Alpha, not just know-it-alls that seem to make unilateral decisions here. http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/10/24/alpha.ap/index.html
A small number of deaths does not justify a separate article - not for Arlene (1), Bret (2), Cindy (3), Jose (10), Maria (1) Tammy ("several"), or for Alpha (8). Having something to write about would justify a separate article, but nobody seems to have anything to add to the Alpha section in the main article. Jdorje 19:08, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Will each Greek letter storm get its own main article?

This is way too soon to merit a stand-alone article on Alpha. For crying out loud, it's not even expected to become a hurricane! If the stand-alone article is merely a cut'n'paste of the entry in 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, it should be deleted until it truly merits it. B.Wind 01:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

STRONGLY agreed. I'm going to redirect it back to the main page. CrazyC83 01:53, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Agreed. Votes for deletion/merge. Alpha, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Hurricanehink 02:11, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
I also agree. Isn't the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season page history enough??!! S onson 02:47, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Disagree. It's remarkable, as it is the 22nd named storm of an Atlantic season: it's never happened before in recorded time. It's unique. Also, some projections have it reaching hurricane status and some have it combining with Wilma to make a major mess of New England. Removing it already was premature, and should have been left to further discussion. --Sturmde 03:48, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Which projections have Alpha reaching hurricane status? Every model I've seen has Alpha being down to a depression after crossing Hispaniola and barely making it back to tropical storm status by the time it gets near Bermuda... provided it survives that long. If it doesn't make it to hurricane status, the only thing noteworthy is its name, and that's not enough for its own article. B.Wind 08:07, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
But the remarkability is that of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, not that of Tropical Storm Alpha itself. Jdorje 05:52, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
It's remarkable on it's own because of the remarkability of the season. 132.205.46.167 00:11, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Using that logic every storm of the season should have its own article including Tropical Storm Lee which lasted an entire 6 hours. --Holderca1 19:53, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation

Obviously the disambiguation article should stay. Disambiguation among subtropical storms is necessary, since they are treated just like tropical cyclones by the NHC. The use of "Tropical Storm" as a prefix is based on the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical Cyclones for the case where no common prefix is possible. I agree that Tropical Storm Alpha should redirect to Tropical Storm Alpha (2005). However Tropical Storm Alpha (2005) should not be renamed unless the name is retired - any more so than Hurricane Gordon (1994) should. Tropical Storm Alpha (2005) now has a link to the dab at the top which is justified. Jdorje 20:16, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

In case that wasn't clear enough for you: This article must not be deleted. Jdorje 18:29, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
The point of a dsambiguation page is so that people can choose between other identical page names. Clearly "Tropical Storm Alpha" is not identical to "Subtropical Storm Alpha" or "Subtropical Storm Alfa", therefore a disambiguation page is not needed. As a courtesy to readers however, it should have links to those two other storms. This fulfills the purpose of the disambiguation page in a much more streamlined way. If we must keep this page, it should be pruned back a bit, because its more like an article in itself now.  –radiojon 14:25, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I say Keep the disambiguation. Subtropical and tropical storms are only different in technical terms, not in the minds of readers not deeply entrenched in NHC lingo. For instance, a disambiguation page exists for Hurricane Nicole even though one was tropical (and a hurricane) and the other was only subtropical. CrazyC83 20:58, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Should Alpha or any other Greek letter name be retired, the name will simply be skipped over in future years with no replacement name.

2005_Atlantic_hurricane_season states: "There is no precedent for a storm named with a Greek letter causing enough damage to justify retirement; how this situation would be handled is unknown[21]." referncing http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/B6.html. Rich Farmbrough 15:59, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

I know this isn't verifiable, but I distinctly recall a NHC/NOAA spokesman on the Weather Channel a month or two back commenting that, in the event a Greek-letter storm was severe enough, its name would indeed be retired. In that case, the letter would simply be skipped over in following years; so if Alpha was retired, the 22nd storm of a following season would be Beta. Unfortunately I haven't been able to conclusively confirm or deny this; all Google turns up is a bunch of secondhand accounts going both ways. —David Wahler (talk) 15:05, 28 November 2005 (UTC)