Talk:Trollope

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[edit] Dubious

I’ve moved some of the opening statement to here for discussion. The whole is unsourced, and anonymous;
The first part may well be correct, but it needs a source; a dictionary of English surnames should substantiate it.Swanny18 14:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I’ve checked a Dictionary of Surnames, and it says the name is derived from the place-name Trolhop (Norse: Troll Valley) so I’ve put that in the article with the source. The other suggestion I’ve left for now, to see if a source turns up.Swanny18 15:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More Dubious

The second part sounds dubious, so its here for discussion.

"The name came about soon after Norman Conquest of England in 1066. Theories about the origin of this name abound, but a relationship to the many wolves which abounded in Lincolnshire. The more likely it relates to the distinguished Coat of Arms of the Lupus family, as the Lupus Coat of Arms was three wolves heads[citation needed].
The Lupus family were the great Earls of Chester[citation needed] and held extensive lands in Lincolnshire. The Lupus family were also a junior branch of the royal family[citation needed]."

I’ve never heard of a Lupus family, particularly as a branch of the royal family (that doesn’t mean there isn’t of course, just that I’m asking for some evidence).
I know the first Earl of Chester was Hugh d’Avranches,: His nickname was Hugh the Wolf (Hugh Lupus), not his family name. And it was his enemies that called him that; his friends called him Hugh the Fat (Hugh le Gros). I don’t know what his coat of arms was: It’s on the bridge over the Dee in Chester; can anyone from Chester tell us? Swanny18 14:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

More information (and why do I feel I’m talking to myself, here?)
Hugh d'Avranches, 1st Earl of Chester (Hugh Lupus ) didn’t found a Lupus family: his son Richard, who succeeded him to the earldom died young, and childless, in the White Ship, so the earldom went to a cousin.
And Hugh’s coat of arms wasn’t three wolves; it was just the one: Blue, bearing a wolf’s head with a ragged edge in silver (“Azure, a wolf’s head erased argent” see here (para 12,"As the earl...)); his son also used a single wolf’s head. The later earls used a lion, and then a golden wheatsheaf. Their coatsof arms can all be seen on the Queens Park bridge in Chester.
So I think the website linked here is mistaken.Swanny18 16:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Edits ( Aug-Sept 2007)

To whoever at 128.243.220.42(University of Nottingham) who has deleted a big chunk of this without any explanation; I’ve put it back until the change is explained or some reason can be given
And to whoever at 86.137.86.206( ? Southport) who added the stuff in the first place; I know I asked for citations, so I only have myself to blame I suppose, but can you be more specific?
The first link is to a 200 word essay on something obscure; can you give a page number?I really don’t want to read the whole thing. I should apologize at this point; I forgot to put in page numbers for my citations; I’ll do it next time I’m in the library ( though they are both indexed under Trollope, if you’d like to check).
The second is to a website that appears to be selling coats of arms to Americans; it’s the source of the information I felt was dubious in the first place, for the reasons given above.
Third, the reference for the occurrence of the name "Trois Loups" in the Domesday book is given as - the Domesday book (!); do you have a place-name or something? That would be convincing, if so.
Fourth, the bit about dyslexia; is that your own idea, or is it from somewhere else? If it’s yours, that be regarded as original research, I think, which is a bit frowned upon. If it’s from something published, that really should be cited, so it can be verified.
Lastly, I’ve separated out the bit I wrote, as it looked as if the bit you’d added was cited in the book, which really isn’t the case.
Swanny18 12:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

No replies; deletions follow. Swanny18 16:39, 1 October 2007 (UTC)