User talk:TrinityC

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[edit] User:Master and Commander

UPDATE: We now have proof that User:Master and Commander is a sockpuppet of the Matthew Vassar vandal. See this edit [1] where he forgot to login and left his IP address (and then corrected it), and then examine this edit [2] from that same IP address, vandalizing the Matthew Vassar article. Please ban this user and delete his edits (and current VfD votes). Thanks! TrinityC 11:35, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Whoa, you have proof that Master User:Master and Commander is the same as User:128.12.20.66 ---- but you don't have proof that s/he is also the same as User:Wiki4life! Deleting those votes is not cool IMHO. I'm reverting. Let an admin delete those votes and/or take your allegation into account. For the record, I figure you're probably right but that still doesn't give a non-admin the right to just start deleting votes and comments. —Wknight94 (talk) 11:48, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
You're right, and that's why I did not delete User:Wiki4life's votes. Re-reverting. -- TrinityC 11:51, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
I know but what is your reasoning for removing User:Master and Commander's votes? Aren't you claiming that User:Master and Commander and User:Wiki4Life are the same person? I don't see proof of that. If User:Master and Commander and User:128.12.20.66 each voted, then I would understand removing one of them - but that's not the case here. —Wknight94 (talk) 14:04, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

You are reminded to not remove votes placed by other users on AfD discussions. It is up to the closing admin to discount votes of possible socks. You are permitted to make a notation with what you feel is the evidence that it is a bad-faith edit, but the vote should remain.

Regarding Master and Commander: I'm going to request a checkuser on them, which I feel will confirm that they aren't jumping ip and aren't Wiki4Life. Yes, the ip you noted did reintroduce the vandalism...but that still could be either a shared ip at a library (it resolves to a range at Stanford), or perhaps they mistakenly thought that the information belonged in the article and had been blanked by a vandal. In either case, that ip hasn't vandalized Matthew Vassar since that one time in November. Every other edit from Master and Commander that I've looked at has been good faith. As for voting as an ip and then changing their sig to M&C, that was likely them forgetting to log in...and the sockpuppet policy doesn't allow blocks unless the socks are being used inappropriately (ie skewing votes, getting around blocks). I'm going to caution you to assume good faith and to restrain from biting until we can get this matter resolved positively one way or the other. --Syrthiss 15:39, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Your logic and behavior on this are beyond comprehension. Look at the edit history on Matthew Vassar and you'll see there is a history of rampant vandalism from numerous IPs, and User:Master and Commander comes out of nowhere and his first edits are in support of the vandal. I've spent quite a bit of time trying to clean up that article, and was confident that the user was the vandal. Suddenly, when the user slips up doesn't log in, revealing their IP address to be one of those used by the vandal, their identity became pretty clear (as if it wasn't before). A persistent Wikipedia vandal with such bad-faith behavior should not be supported this way. TrinityC 17:42, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Vandalism on one page does not equal sockpuppet voting on another. —Wknight94 (talk) 18:42, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
I have looked at the edit history. There is as you say rampant vandalism from numerous IPs...numerous is the key word there. Master and Commander is editing from one single ip as far as you have proof...and that ip's single contribution to that article was one incident of reintroducing the vandalism 4 months ago. Master and Commander's "come out of nowhere" was to remove your vandalism warning that didn't belong on the article...a warning that I would have removed myself had I come across it first. Believe me, I'm not an idiot and I'm not naieve. If the checkuser proves that Wiki4Life and Master and Commander are the same user you will be vindicated and have my apology for not believing your obvious proof, but until that time I am not going to let you harass another editor who has nothing but good faith edits other that that 4 month old vandalism. If you'd like to read up on wikipedia's blocking policy, we don't issue blocks in a punitive sense. We issue blocks to stop rampant vandalism, and what we can prove is not rampant vandalism. I brought this up with other administrators and they agreed that the proof as current is not enough, and that we should continue to monitor the situation. Thats what I intend to do. --Syrthiss 19:45, 16 February 2006 (UTC)