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[edit] Julia Speller, TUCC

Please look at the edits by myself and the anon IP and voice an opinion. Thanks and cheers.Die4Dixie (talk) 16:13, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] May 2008

Thanks for experimenting with the page What Happened on Wikipedia. Your recent edit appears to have added incorrect information, and has been reverted or removed. All information in the encyclopedia must be verifiable in a reliable published source. If you believe the information you added was correct, please cite references or sources or discuss the changes on the article's talk page before making them. Please use ml Trilemma (talk) 22:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thank you. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 21:59, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Response on user's talk page. Correct link is here: http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0508/McAuliffe_doesnt_like_McClellan_book_either.html
Oh, okay. Well, either way, I've removed the section completely, as blogs are not reliable sources. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:01, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
HOWEVER, I am sure you can find a way around that, as Dole's letter was reported on Countdown and other RS's.  ;-) /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:02, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Let's consolidate discussion here.  ;-) No, we just need more than a blog (yes, those are blogs). If worse comes to worst, I'll dig up the episode information for Countdown that contains the dole email. This has nothing to do with content, only with citations... if you need help just let me know! /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:05, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


Sorry, made an edit on your page before viewing this. Trilemma (talk) 22:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Updated article sources: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/05/31/2008-05-31_bob_dole_rips_into_scott_mcclellan-3.html

and http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=243583 Trilemma (talk) 22:07, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Great. Do you need help using {{cite}} templates? /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:08, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
I have a handy button for it. I think it'd be wise to determine what precisely we want to include from the emails and comments. What do you feel is most relevant for inclusion? Trilemma (talk) 22:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
I think we have an excellent example contained in Scott McClellan, regarding the dole letter. However, can you tell me more about the second source (kxmc.com)? It also looks like a politically oriented blog not attached to an inherently reliable source... /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:17, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
The second one is a fresh story and is just growing. The AP doesn't yet have a story on it but one should come. But politico is an acceptable source:

"Self-published material may, in some circumstances, be acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SPS#Self-published_sources The authors of the blogs on politico have been published plenty of other places, featured on blogginheads.tv, etc. so under these guidelines they warrant inclusion. Trilemma (talk) 22:33, 31 May 2008 (UTC) Also from ABC's coverage: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/mcclellens-book.ht

I believe that the circumstances of a self-published blog coupled with a partisan POV makes it highly unlikely that such a source would be the best choice. I'm sure that the statements are covered (and likely more neutrally presented) in other, perhaps more appropriate, media outlets. Let's try to use those instead.  ;-) /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 23:28, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
I did a quick search through both the AP and Reuters and didn't find an article as of yet. Also I find the 'partisan' charge a bit questionable; the standards for inclusion mention nothing of personal feelings in regards to a given subject. Martin is a professional journalist with a substantial resume; moreover, we're not even including his words. And there's also the ABC reference ;) Trilemma (talk) 23:32, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Also, if partisanship is a concern, why did you offer Countdown? You don't get more partisan than Keith Oberman. Trilemma (talk) 23:33, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
You misunderstand... partisan self-published sources are a concern. Countdown is a bit different, as it is a nationally broadcast television show sponsored by one of the largest news outlets in the world; the blog ("with an emphasis on the GOP", if I recall the tagline correctly) is another thing entirely. Please note that I haven't made any additional edits or concerns, as I believe the same material can easily be sourced elsewhere (if it does indeed have legs, and isn't just part of some partisan hackery). My point is simply that the blog isn't the best source, given the SPS and NPOV concerns. Cheers. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 16:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I think that you're misinterpreting the division of the politico blogs. Instead of having one blog for both parties, the site gives the two respective blogs for two accomplished professional journalists with more experience covering the side they're covering on politico. The SPS guidelines seem to be in response to the proliferation of amateur blogs--something from a site named obamafan2342.blogspot.com or mccainiac321.blogspot.com wouldn't meet the guidelines. But blogs like Politico, the New Republic's Plank and Stump, and The National Review's Corner and Campaign Spot are extensions of professional entities. And while all, under the exceptions to SPS, warrant inclusion in articles, sites like Politico and realclearpolitics stand out even more due to their non-partisan mission. Trilemma (talk) 16:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Otis Moss III

I have nominated Otis Moss III, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Otis Moss III. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? LegoTech·(t)·(c) 04:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

While it's not a requirement, if you use citation templates it makes references much easier to decipher. Check out WP:CITE. Cheers. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 07:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)