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[edit] Restructuring needed

This article should start with a short and easy to grasp explanation of what is typical for the genre that is called trip hop today, and then go over to an explanation of the origin of the term. The whole first paragraph, the way it is now, seems very cluttered and hard to get an overview of. 84.217.135.48 21:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What No Smith And Mighty?

Any discussion definition of Trip Hop that only incidentaly includes 'Smith & Mighty'is incorrect. Without Smith and Mighty, there would be no 'Bristol Sound', It was them who first mixed Hip Hop Beats, Reggae basslines, and Soul vocals to provide the template that all others followed and built apon. I am a native Bristolian and know what I'm talking about first hand. I was there.Liam _Bristolian musician 2006

I agree, Massive Attack and Portishead are mentioned all the time but the real originators of the Bristol sound are not. - bombac.

[edit] This doesn't make sense

James Lavelle, founding member of UNKLE and owner of the famous trip hop label Mo'Wax used to say, "British hip hop lacks the lyrical skills of U.S. counterparts, but British kids have got the musical side." This offers insight as to why trip hop artists like DJ Shadow, DJ Krush, and DJ Cam often choose to strip out vocals in their works.

I really don't get this. Lavelle is making a statement about British hip hop, so how does this tell us anything about DJ Shadow, DJ Krush, and DJ Cam, who are from the US, Japan, and France?

--Head of the Caligula Appreciation Society 00:48, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Terrified Trip hop

"There are two types of Trip-hop: Terrified and Non-Terrified. Terrified Trip-Hop is characterized by “trips” into the dark underground. Non-Terrified Trip-Hop is characterized by “trips” into the heavenly light. Many Trip-Hop aficionados will find themselves trapped between hope and despair."

What is this nonsense? Bendydave 13:00, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

im doing a project on trip hop and i can cover the musicaliies involved but does anyone have any information on the cultral aspects? what was going on at the time that spawn such music? or at least a website relating to it.

I suggest that you ask at the reference desk. One book reference (that I should probably add to the article) is Philip Johnson's Straight Outa Bristol published in 1996 (ISBN 0340674814). It covers a lot of sociological background. --Lexor|Talk 18:52, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)

Although there is some dispute to the claim, the name Trip-Hop was coined by Christopher Neville, a white dreadlocked Musician from the South of England. A multi-instrumental performer, whilst studying music in Chichester (Chi Tec) invented the term "Trip-Hop" and set about telling as many of his fellow musicians as he could. IF THIS CLAIM IS IN ANY WAY DISPUTED FURTHER, you can email him here: cpneville@msn.com. He has proof.

[edit] Hip hop?

Why is the template {{hiphop}} on this page? Trip hop isn't a type of hip hop. — Asbestos | Talk 11:07, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thats true. - Anon

That depends on who you ask, I would disagree. Nonetheless, hip-hop is an obvious and important influence so I don't see the problem. — Phontain 15:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sampling

The article mentions that "This reliance on sampling has changed the way record labels deal with clearing samples for use in other people's tracks." However, it does not elaborate. How, exactly, has this changed? IE, what was the old system, what's the new one, and why was the change catalyzed by Trip Hop? --Nentuaby

[edit] Category

Is there a reason why there is no Category:Trip hop ??? There sure would be alot to put in it... Karol 19:27, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reggae?

What on earth is the go with the reggae style infobox? Trip-hop is as far from reggae as you could possibly imagine! JB Adder | Talk 03:28, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Probably not that so far, but you're right, it shouldn't be there. Karol 06:13, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Right then, I'm changing it to {{Musicgenrebox}} --JB Adder | Talk 10:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

A lot of the stuff is influenced by dub music, with the delays and occasional skanks and whatnot. I don't think it's too tenuous a connection Dj snyder 09:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is this true?

...trip hop is downtempo electronic music that grew out of England's Dub, Lovers Rock, and Electro scenes.

This is the edit that was made by 4.246.132.27, which, as far as I know, is incorrect (I went out and had a check too, and the sources seem to agree with me). I'm reverting it back, but if anyone disagrees with me here, please feel free to say so. --JB Adder | Talk 09:20, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Zero 7 trip hop?

I think that Zero 7 are not trip hop, but Lo-Fi or maybe Downtempo. Sia Furler (that once sang with them) is also under the Lo-Fi genre. Zero 7 has almost no drums in their music. Trip hop makes the drums an important part of it. I think Zero 7 should be removed from the list.

I think it shouldn't. Trip hop isn't just about the drums. Karol 17:54, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree with the original poster, Zero 7 is no more trip-hop than Air is, and no one's arguing that Air be added.aubrey 22:49, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I can't really see Moloko(great as they are) as trip-hop, either. — Phontain 15:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lobo Halcyon link

I've checked it out, and it seems to be a link to a specific artist, rather than a general style info link. Should it be removed? --JB Adder | Talk 05:03, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I already did. Karol 08:30, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Abstract hip-hop

Is there any difference between what's written here and here? --JB Adder | Talk 22:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I think trip hop differs from Abstract hiphop cuz Triphop is more electronica-related and abstract hiphip is more rap-related --84.193.10.87 15:15, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

So you're saying that the abstract hip-hop in the Trip hop article concentrates more on the music, whereas the Abstract hip hop in the article puts an emphasis on the lyrics? That makes a bit of sense. (Had to ask because I was thinking of linking the two articles together; obviously not a good idea now.) --JB Adder | Talk 06:46, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jamaican dub?

a wide open sound that draws heavily on acid jazz, Jamaican dub music and electronica.

The bit that worries me is the Jamaican dub part. Could someone mind clarifying this? --JB Adder | Talk 05:54, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, considering Thievery Corporation's listed as a notable group...they've got a huge reggae influence.Dj snyder 09:12, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arctic Monkeys

Why on earth does the arctic monkeys myspace website claim that the band are trip-hop??? can someone explain this to me please.....

Either they don't know what trip hop is or they're making some kind of joke. aubrey 22:50, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NO SMOKE CITY EVEN MENTIONED?

Why? Did not Underwater love open the worlds eyes to trip hop just as much as Massive attack hit?

Reaper7 00:21, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neneh Cherry

Songs like "Manchild" from 1989 have been credited with presaging the Trip hop sound. Also songs from her second and third albums can be described as trip hop--Mutley 04:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Goldfrapp?

The Neneh Cherry reference is complete and utter nonsense. There are certain music industry types, who, after descending upon the the early 90's Bristol scene (most notable luminary being Roni Size), have stolen the name Trip Hop as their own. It is a style of Music and the term was invented by the Multi-Instrumenatalist Musician Christopher Neville (if you wish to discuss thsi further you are welcome to email him cpneville@msn.com). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ad40b89f (talk • contribs) 14:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Air

Why is Air not in this list? They certainly qualify as trip-hop [1] and have some really genre defining albums like Moon Safari.

[edit] Missed names!!!

RECOIL - side project of Depeche Mode member.

SUNDAY MUNICH - great band, "american PORTISHEAD"

SWITCHBLADE SYMPHONY - album "Bread and Jam For Frances" is first goth / trip-hop crossover!

THE HUNGRY GHOST, HUNGRY LUCY, COLLIDE - goth-appeal side of post trip hop. Why do you missed them?

[edit] Clarify

The opening para currently contains these words: "changed-up the beat and pallet mid-cut". Please clarify the meaning, or change the text. I dont understand this terminology. --Design 14:34, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Verify: Tru Thought Artists

Apparently, a couple of Tru Thought artists have made it onto the list. I have no problem with the label, but I'm unsure as to whether they have any real effect on the genre, or at least enough to warrant their inclusion. If they have been put here as a promotional tool, then their removal from the list is very much justified. --JB Adder | Talk 08:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] M/A/R/R/S and Eric B & Rakim

I think "Pump Up the Volume" is the first trip hop record. "Follow the Leader" is also a milestone in trip hop's prehistory. Discuss.

[edit] References?

This needs some serious citation work. Discuss.Yuletide 20:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stylistic Origins

Downtempo is listed as a forerunner of trip-hop, but according to other sources I've read, it's the other way around: downtempo was one of the descendants of trip-hop. Should this be changed? C1k3 23:33, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

If your sources are mixed as to the order, then leave it as is, and put a note explaining this. If not, then feel free to change it. --JB Adder (through the IP 129.180.1.214) | Talk 04:14, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Typical Instruments

I dont think that "flutes" are a typical instrument used on the Trip Hop genre, maybe it was used by some bands on some songs, but it isn't that common on this genre and "flutes" should be removed from that specification in this article. 200.8.89.188 (talk) 16:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bristol is multicultural in comparison to ____?

"Bristol has a large multi-racial community (only 89.3 percent white)"

I think you'd find a lot of people who could find plenty of things wrong with this statement. At the very least, it needs a qualifier, like "compared to the UK average of ____" or something. San Francisco, California, is less than 50 percent white, making the qualifying "only" in this sentence seem laughable. As a matter of fact, this made me laugh when I read it :)... 69.65.232.61 (talk) 08:23, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] One band and one album do not make a musical movement

Massive Attack + Portishead's "Dummy" Why does this article even exist? Music journalists are more concerned with being seen to 'discover' new bands and trends, regardless of the quality. Why attach a pointless label to such great music? It's as bad as 'banoffee' or the whole 'new rave' nonsence. Moof! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.249.2.158 (talk) 06:43, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Multi-racial?

Bristol has a strong black community that has been defining what it means to be black British for centuries; Bristol is 2.8 percent black. In addition, Bristol has a large multi-racial community (only 89.3 percent white)

Multi-racial with 90% white? Is this some kind of joke? 3% black? This doesn't constitute a large minority population to me. That sentence about defining what it means to be black doesn't belong in an encyclopedia either. I think these sentences should be removed? WillV (talk) 17:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)