Talk:Trinity Western University

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Reviewed version: September 6, 2007
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[edit] Homosexuality?

Should there be a mention of whether or not about an institution's view or teachings about homosexuality? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.226.54.163 (talk) 02:38, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edits by 67.164.84.97

I don't agree with you stripping factual information out of this article and implanting your own information. If you wish to add to what is already there, fine with me, but do it in a way that respects everyone's edits, don't be a jerk. This isn't an autobiography, it's a factual article that lists both the pros and the cons. --Image:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 06:05, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree, stop being a jerk! Make sure you wikify your work next time. -- Earl Andrew - talk 06:06, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
The edits were so well written and in that format I could swear they were taken from someone else's website, if not that of the University, which is a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. --Image:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 06:15, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I apologize if I hurt your feelings for editing out your information. Seeing as the data regarding the number of students and TWU's "most notable" characteristic were not current, I just assumed someone had written it a long time ago and would not mind it being updated. And you are right, both pros and cons need to be in a factual article, so I added a bold section headline about the legal case. I do not appreciate being called a jerk--I did nothing "jerk-y". And thank you for the compliment ("so well written and in that format"), I wrote it all myself.

Great job then, I'll see if I can't make it a little less... formal/starchy. --Image:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 06:31, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Wait, please don't. That is how other universities format theirs, it is easier to read that way.

Which universities? I don't see any as bad. It has a remotely similar format, yet not. Also, it needs to be wickified. --Image:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 06:37, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Actually, that looks better! I did not know how to do a table of contents. I am sorry for underestimating your idea. Please don't be mad at me.

It's quite okay, I'm not upset, I just want to see this article be less sterile. I understand you're new, so it's okay. :-) --Image:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 06:40, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Enrollment stats

There was no cite given for the previous figure of 3,300 students, so I found and cited the Fact Sheet link at TWU.ca with the 3,500 figure. There remains a claim of 2800 undergrads and 575 postgrads in the right-column summary in the article. This doesn't necessarily add up and isn't cited, so maybe someone else can take it from here and track down a source for numbers. --Ds13 05:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure--I've been meaning to get some more accurate info on this. That fact sheet seems to have been written circa 2003 given the lack of programs/majors which have been added since then, new president etc. There was a newspaper article that had 2006 enrollment data, so I'll track that down and see what I can do to this. Thanks for the prompting. :) ModernMajorGeneral 16:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

MMG, I've reverted some facts you replaced because when I clicked through to the reference you gave, the fact wasn't there. Maybe you can clarify. Anyways, I put back the old stats that had citations because an old fact that can be verified is better than a more up to date fact we believe to be true but can't be verified by the reader. ("The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth.") --Ds13 04:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry about the Langley Times, I thought I copied the whole link but it looks like I hadn't...it's should link to the right article now though. I've added more links to the online calendar which lists the programs/courses/etc, so hopefully those will work. Let me know though if anything else is missing. ModernMajorGeneral

[edit] Community Standards

For the second time, I have replaced the deleted list of specific behaviours that members of the TWU community are not permitted to engage in. This list is notably restrictive for a Canadian community and the facts are verifiable so I think it's quite encyclopedic to have it here. --Ds13 04:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought I had a link to the list, but its perfectly fine to write them out on the article. Regarding the "responsibilities" not attempting to be statements of what the university believes to be biblical guidelines in general--I will find a press release of some sort to verify that. For anyone at the university, it is clear that what I wrote in that first paragraph of the section is what is implied/understood about the responsibiities (statements made by profs, addresses to the student body, student newspaper etc), but I will try to find a paper source for that. In the meantime, I would appreciate if that section could be kept in (with the "citiation needed" link), as that is what is implied in the links I did find. I know this is sort of a touchy subject, but it does need to be balanced. I hope this makes sense. ModernMajorGeneral 05:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. A reference to show non-biblical intent is interesting and it's definitely worth showing both sides to our article readers. --Ds13 05:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dancing

I couldn't find any reference to "dancing at non-disretionary nightclubs" in TWU's Student Handbook. Maybe this is due to the New Social Dance Policy changes. Perhaps this line should be edited to something which reflects the University's policies better (provided I didn't simply miss the source it was referring to) --Davidkazuhiro 07:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I am removing this line since nobody's improved it after 6 months. By the way, what is a "non-discretionary nightclub"? Staecker 15:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review Completed

Hello,

I have now completed my GA Review of this article:

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
  5. It is stable.
  6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
  7. Overall:
    a Pass/Fail:

At this time, this article does not meet the Good Article criteria. To rectify this, the article will need to be referenced properly and verifiable. This was the sole reason for failing the article at this time. I'd suggest having a look at WP:Verifiability and WP:CITE for more information on this.

In particular, the sections on Recognition and Student Life are completely unreferenced.

When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. Thank you for your work so far. Pursey Talk | Contribs 11:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Link to the President's blog

I normally loathe links to personal blogs, but the guy is the President of the University, and we do link to other personal blogs, like that of Bob Parsons. I think in this case the link should be kept. GreenJoe 14:46, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed non-examples of "Recognition"

These were removed from the "Recognition" section because 1) they are not examples of recognition, and 2) they are unsourced. These are facts (or maybe trivia) but not examples of recognition. The text removed is here; please add it to a more appropriate section of the article if it can be included with a reliable source this time. --Ds13 (talk) 21:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

  • TWU’s Dead Sea Scrolls Institute is home to the largest collection of primary Greek manuscripts of the New Testament in North America, fourth to Munster, the British Museum, and the Vatican City.
  • TWU’s Septuagint Institute is the core of North America’s research, translation, and study of the earliest Greek translations of the Jewish texts.
  • TWU is the only university in western Canada to offer an MBA for the non-profit sector.