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Contents 1 Images and animations added! 2 Noticable persons involved in tricking 3 Cool pics 4 Expert assistance required? 5 External links 6 Non-contact? 7 I fixed most of this 8 Parkour in 'Injuries' section 9 Gatherings 10 Injury section

[edit] Images and animations added!

Good News. Thanks to various tricksters who donated their images and animated gifs, this article now has some visual aid to help describe and show what tricking is about. Pactio kiss 13:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Noticable persons involved in tricking

Dave C a notable trickster? Ha ha ha! - 81.178.71.79 22:01, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Is there some reason why Joe Eigo is repeatedly being added and removed from this list? And what about Amir Solsky? To avoid edit wars, could people please explain why they are repeatedly adding/removing particular people.

Sticksoft 12:10, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Good question man. The reason is, and I am pretty confident about this, is because many tricksters have a personal dislike of Joe Eigo. It is not very rational behavior to remove him from the list for a person dislike though. Also, I want it to be clear that I have added nor removed Joe Eigo's name from the list, but I too have noticed his name continually being added and removed. Many feel he should not be considered a trickster but just a gymnast. They feel he is greedy and does not have the frame of mind most tricksters have. They feel that instead of just loving tricking for what it is, he tries to make money with his skills and all that. Anyways, he is still a notable person regardless of what people think of him, and therefore, I feel his name should be kept on the list.

On another topic, I feel Dave C should be added to the list. He may not be as well known to the public as some of those other names are, but in actuality none of those names are well known to the general public. Tricking is still very underground. But Dave C is a true trickster. He has a heart for tricking like no other and he has shown this through the samplers he has made. Sure you could say anyone has heart for tricking, but it's hard to explain. I know I probably sound opinionated, but honestly, I think that any of you who actually know of Dave C would know what I'm talking about. Therefore, I am adding his name to the list. If anyone disagrees please let me know. Jamesters 09:00, 11 October 2005

Someone removed Joe Eigo AND Dave C now. Should we jut remove the "notable person involved with tricking" section all together? I feel it may be too opinionated of a section and just not necessary. Especially if it's just going to constantly be a war. Does anyone even read this discussion page? Please say so if you do. Jamesters 01:40, 12 October 2005

To be honest, the page is a mess at the moment - removing one section probably won't help much. Perhaps each person should have a brief biography attached, making it obvious why they are in the list. However, we certainly don't need people warring over a list of names when the article is in such need of tidying up and expanding.

On that note, I propose that there should be a new section on tricking events (Loopkicks, etc.) and a list of any moves that are unique to tricking (not borrowed from other sports). I would also like the article to mention that (as far as I know) there are no formal regulations or governing bodies for tricking - like there are for most other sports - and perhaps work out a definition / list of criteria for what makes a 'good' trick. This might be in a new section on the aims of tricking. Any objections?

And yes, I do read the talk page. Sticksoft 14:00, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Right on Sticksoft! I like the way you think, you have a clear view point and some great ideas. We could even do definitions for tricking moves. Of course www.neokarate.net already has definitions and www.club540.com even has clips, but they are still lacking many moves and many defintions are not very good. If you check out "List of breakdance moves" I helped do a lot of that and practically did the entire Flips section by myself. Anyways, I feel this article for Tricking could be way better than it is as of now.

I really like that biography idea by the way. Maybe some time I'll work on that, but as of now I am currently already working on other projects in my life so I don't know how much time I could devote to this, but I'll try to help though. Jamesters 03:52, 15 October 2005

Someone removed Jon Call (Jujimufu) from the lsit now. I don't wanna try to update this article if people will simply delete anything I or anyone else puts in. I really wish people would at least give an explanation for why they add or delete something. Jamesters 03:45, 16 October 2005

Okay, I've made a start on the new sections. I've searched for info on Loopkicks, but can't find much more than when and where it is held, and the names of the instructors. I know that there are other tricking camps out there - I just can't seem to find much info about them. The 'Aims of Tricking' section could do with a little work, as well. When I have time, I'm going to go through each of the tricks on club540 and try to find out if they are unique to tricking. Those that are should be mentioned on the main page (as well as on the list of Tricking Moves). Sticksoft 19:14, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I've added some biography links in the list of notable trickers - hopefully someone will use the information in the links to make useful biographies for each individual. Having said that, it was only 4 hours until someone wrecked the list again, so I don't hold out much hope. If the minor edit war we have here escalates any further, I think it would be wise to protect the page for a while, until we can agree as to the contents of the list. Sticksoft 22:35, 3 November 2005

Haha, good job man, ya seriously I wish people would stop making stupid minor edits. It kinda prevents this page from getting developed further. Jamesters 08:01, 11 November 2005

I really think it's time the Notable persons section should just be removed. What is meant by "notable"? Also there are 15 names under "Loopkicks". Why? --Janto 12:48, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, I'm going to completely remove the "notable persons" section and any names without a reason for being there. If you feel a name needs to be in the article integrate it as part of a paragraph together with why the person is notable. --Janto 18:56, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cool pics

This page can do with a few cool pictures like Parkour --Janto 18:23, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Expert assistance required?

Do we still need the 'expert' header on the page? The article is starting to come together, and there is little more that an 'expert' could add. I will remove it in about a week if no-one disagrees. Sticksoft 11:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] External links

I removed them all. See discussion on notable persons section. Wikipedia isn't a webdirectory. If a link is important one should be able to reference it from the article's text. --Janto 20:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non-contact?

I know people who do tricking and it isn't all non contact. I've seen one person stand while another person used thier back to kick off from into a back flip. Sure it's not fighting, but there are ways to contact in tricking. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.117.69.128 (talk) 16:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

I have updated this section to better reflect on the non-combatant nature of tricking and provide examples of tricks involving more than one person. I agree: it's not necisarily void of contact, but tricking is definetly not a sparring sport. Mooreshire 05:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I fixed most of this

I clarified the history of tricking on the NASKA circuit, mentioned people's names who actually contributed, noted Ernie Reyes and the WCAT, further developed parts of the article, removed some BS, talked about the expansion of tricking with the internet revolution, mentioned classic websites most people have forgotten about, fixed general grammar and punctuation problems, and tried to make it generally less crappy. Also, I wasn't aware that I was ever mentioned on this page? Haha was I really? Am I more notable now? Love, Dave C

[edit] Parkour in 'Injuries' section

I have removed the reference to parkour in the injuries section as it was totally irrelevent.

[edit] Gatherings

The entire section about gatherings needs to be rewritten. TricksTutorials.com is not in any way the only site where people organize tricking gatherings.

[edit] Injury section

I removed this section as there were no sources and it read as original research. Thanks, --Tom 14:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)