Talk:Tribulus terrestris

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This article sounds like an spam email for herbal viagra. The mentioned studies (if they exist and indeed are scientific studies) should be properly cited and some more information given or else the topic of supposed medical effects dropped entirely.

Well...then add them.

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[edit] bogus

Ok, maybe bogus is too strong, but objective it isnt. I dont know what those studies are and a quick search on groups.google.com reveals plenty, plenty of skeptics.

Please, someone make this otherwise interesting wiki a little less biased.

I didn't write it, I was just editing/categorizing plant articles. But I'll take a look at it and see if I can verify some of the info. Sorry, some people are sloppy with that kind of stuff. --DanielCD 22:25, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I took out the med. study references for now. They can always be found in the history. I'm going to leave them out until I can find some decent references. Practically all I get from a quick search is advertisements, which aren't trustworthy. I am going to have to do some research on this one. Might be interesting. --DanielCD 22:49, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

See [1] and [2] for references. —JerryFriedman 20:45, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The article should probably be moved to make its common name the title: Puncture Vine. That's standard, if anyone's interested in doing it. --DanielCD 19:32, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'll do it, since I'm responsible for the present name (and there aren't many links), but are we sure Puncture Vine is the best common name? That's what my Peterson guide calls it, but the OED says "caltrop", everyone here in New Mexico says "goatheads" (or toritos), and the name "yellow vine" seems to be common in Australia for this and maybe other species of Tribulus. I didn't count all the names I came across in my Web searches, but there must have been about twenty. —JerryFriedman 21:34, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, there are always lots. I think Puncture Vine is the most common of all of them though. If you want to add a sentence telling other names it's known by, go for it. Don't wanna leave anyone out :)). --DanielCD 22:04, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

We'll see how bored I get. :-) —JerryFriedman 22:34, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I've moved it to the sci name, so as to avoid the potential for disputes over which common name is best - MPF 01:24, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not Bogus

I found this article satisfactory, although I need to add my own personal experience. wheter or not it causes an increase in testosterone levels, it increases mental allertness. I never used any of its commercial product, but made a hot water extract to test it. Though not scientific, these lines may help reduce some confusion. Pubmed also concludes same as here. And by the way what is that GIYF jonatko?Wasiuddin 16:20, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, the article should be more emphatic about the invasiveness of this weed, which has been a major infestation of my buffalo grass area in eastern Nebraska. The plant seems quite innocuous until the fruit appears, and then it becomes quite dangerous to bare fingers, feet, and the feet of the pets that use the area as a toilet. As to its muscle-building properties, I can only attest to the development of my biceps as a result of pulling up and carrying away several hundred pounds of the stuff. And as to the naming of this weed, "puncture vine" hardly does it justice. Prior to my learning the common name, I had been calling it al qaida.Fancy8fran 22:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] to do

  • Find out whether it's native or introduced in Africa.
    • GRIN lists it as native there (ref added on page) - MPF 01:22, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Check the etymology: is it really from Latin "tribulus", meaning "caltrop" (the weapon) (Yes, reference in text), and is that from Greek "tribolos", meaning "three-pointed"?
  • Evaluate health claims (a major project for someone more knowledgeable than I am)

—JerryFriedman 22:39, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Also, since Ayurveda is mentioned, it's use in Chinese Herbal medicine could be added. It is called Bai Ji Li or Ci Ji Li and is primarily used to treat a variety of conditions including tremors, convulsions and visual problems. I looked it up at www.tcmassistant.com and also in Dan Bensky's Materia Medica 4th ed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.200.39.156 (talk) 05:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] serious doubt

If you read the actual studies listed in the ironman "reference" (that are relevant to humans) and the literature on www.pubmed.com, then there are no studies to suggest it is an ergogenic aid for weight trainers, nor does it increase testosterone; in fact quite the opposite. it may or may not have some effect for males who's HPGA has shutdown through use of anabolic steroids - havent looked into the evidence. Article is misleading in this respect. StrengthCoach 09:18, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. The article doesn't actually say that it helps weight trainers. First reference I'm going to add when I get time is http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15994038&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum , though. —JerryFriedman 23:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey guys, pls don't forget GIYF: put into search its Indian name and dont be lazy: At least handful of references (http://www.toddcaldecott.com/Gokshura.html) Kind regards, jonatko

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Thanks. What's GIYF? By the way, if you're going to accuse people of being lazy, you might do more than dump in a bunch of references without checking which are relevant. —JerryFriedman 23:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC)