Talk:Tribe of Tahquitz

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[edit] OA

Can someone explain to me how this associaiton is not in competiton with the OA? Does OA also exist in these councils? Can someone be in both organizations? Rlevse 14:24, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

There is not nor has there ever been an OA Lodge in Long Beach Area Council. Scouts in Long Beach may join OA lodges in other councils if they wish and at the sametime have membership in the Tribe of Tahquitz. There are several scouts that take advantage of this. There are also several scouts from outside the Long Beach Area Council that belong to the Tribe of Tahquitz, most notably scouts from Lake Elsinore including the current Chief Tyler Eisenhower. Headsinger 21:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Why has there never been an OA lodge there?Rlevse 22:23, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
The Tribe was founded in 1925 and there has never been a need for two honor societies. The Tribe more then fulfills this need. Headsinger 18:03, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Exactly. OA was founded in 1915 and became BSA's honor society in 1948; so why does this tribe and Mic-O-say not merge with the OA? Yet, people can belong to both? Interesting.Rlevse 18:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Long Beach feels it is best served with the Tribe of Tahquitz as the tribe provides a vollunteer summer camp staff every year for Camp Tahquitz as well as staffing for camporees and other events. The selection process for summer camp is quite competitive, involving mulitiple interviews. The tribe will never merge with OA for many traditional reasons. I myself am a third generation member and former officer of the tribe. feel free to browse the Tribe's website for further information. Headsinger 06:15, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Whether your summer camp staff comes from Tahquitz, OA, or elsewhere doesn't matter. Limiting yourself just to Tahquitz limits your pool of people.Rlevse 17:11, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I suppose there are some things you just can't understand until you've witnessed it first hand Headsinger 06:33, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Likewise. Rlevse 01:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

This is not an attitude of an youth run program. Why should we care about the opinion of anyone under 21, of course the Order of the Arrow has asked that question for 80 years, why should we care about the opinion of anyone who is not considered an adult over 21

I should add that Indian Lore is not part of the Aims and methods of the Boy Scouts of America. As a Scoutmaster, how would forming a dance team enhance the Patrol Method. Why would I want to support an organization that would steal away my best leaders to play "indian"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tkopechief (talk • contribs) 04:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

That is a very self-serving view of scouting, they are not YOUR best leaders. Scouting is not about the adults, it's about the boys; focus on "woodbadge" and "earning knots" distracts from the true goals. Those being to give boys/young adults the tools to become productive members of society.

Then you have not understood my point. The Order of the Arrow asks the scouts themselves through the unit election ceremony to choose their best leaders. If you can not be bothered to read the BSA literature to understand this then why are you in Scouting. Tkopechief (talk

The Tribe, having previously used the troop selection processed, determined that self selection is more beneficial to the organization. Only regular members (not honoraries) may vote on the selection of new members. Self selection allows for scouts to be judged in an objective fashion based on how they conduct themselves the week they petition to join. While this may not always be perfect it has proven to produce on average a higher caliber of member than during the "troop selection" years. 66.214.237.194 18:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

This is an assertion not based on any objective criteria. The Order of the Arrow is the BSA's official Honor Society. I can never accept this assumption that only members can know who is best. Where is the dynamic youth leader from Long Beach Area Council who is elected National Chief and is a youth representative on the National Executive Board. This will never happen because a cadre of Adults have a desire to play "indian" and "know" what Boys 11-18 want. Yes, I know that this problem exists in other councils. So what makes the "tribe" special. Tkopechief (talk ````

The typical scout tends to drop out around age 14; the Tribe actually keeps young men involved in scouting much longer than the otherwise would have. Furthermore, myself and several other members of the Tribe would likely have not achieved Eagle Scout were it not for the Tribe and the motivation/support from its members to do so.

I also believe that you are too focused on the Indian Lore program of the Tribe, The focus of the Tribe is to promote / provide a volunteer camp staff for Camp Tahquitz. Headsinger 16:20, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Pardon me, but this is not a general forum for discussing the pros and cons of the Tribe of Tahquitz, nor of the OA. Please turn your focus towards improving the article. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 11:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Attention tag

Beef the text up some, add some more info on history and the present-day, perhaps 1-2 more refs, and this'd be a clear B-class article. Rlevse 16:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review

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  • Needs references; see WP:S-REF
  • Needs infobox with Tribe logo
  • Needs active photos
  • Officers section does not need subsections

There is a lot of material missing here. What are the origins of the Tribe of Tahquitz? What of organization, programs, activities, impact, issues and history? How do the local American Indian tribes feel about it? Where is a photo of Scouts doing Indian Lore activities? --Gadget850 ( Ed) 11:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)