Talk:Triangle choke

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While I agree with the idea, we should have an external citation that says the side choke as pictured can be considered a triangle choke. Shawnc 03:31, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

How far do we want to go with this? In a review of the historical literature, it is obvious that the same technique may be called different things in different contexts. Even the simplest of techniques such as what is currently called the rear naked choke is called by one name in judo (not including variations), one name in the current US Army combatives manual, another name in the USMC combatives manual and yet another thing in older references such as Farmer Burns (1912) or William E. Fairbairn (1942). Do we cite every variation of a "figure 4" hold as applied to the RNC, heel hook, BJJ "americano", etcetera? Although this week the restrictive BJJ term "triangle" which refers to the legs is most common in the written literature, current practice in BJJ clubs and tournaments of referring to "arm triangles" shows it is not absolute. I am not certain that the subject of grappling (especially across many years and languages) admits of this much precision. When the illustration (in this case) is cited and clearly matches the concept of the text it is an appropriate instance of boldness which also happens to be intuitively obvious. For extremely short articles such as this, seeking citations is tedious, especially if there are no counter-examples. How many pictures of a wristlock are required to show that it is the same thing in antiquity, Aikido and for current USMC embassy guards? Citations seem appropriate for more general articles such as grappling hold, but for each technique? I tend to be a bit of a pedant myself, but here that seems overly pedantic. Rorybowman 16:57, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

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