User talk:Tree Kittens

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Hello, Tree Kittens, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! Tim Vickers 17:22, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Pakistan studies

I think you need to see WP:NOT before removing POV or AFD tags.I gave the reason in the tag and articles created for spreading propaganda meet the AFD critory.Also see WP:RS.I do not trust Indian newspapers (your best sources) as they are filled with anti-Islam propaganda.I provided links to 2 major wiki policies so there is no need for edit summaries or discussion.i may have to hold short of my wiki break if I must.-Vmrgrsergr 20:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Replied to on his talk page. Tree Kittens 21:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Union organizer

Hi Tree Kittens, nice work on stitching together the organizer and organiser versions. I think your {{worldwide}} tag was also a good choice. Cheers. --Bookandcoffee 08:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, and best regards Tree Kittens 20:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Always be proud

I'm so glad. Clio the Muse 03:25, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Good good. Your contributions to the Reference Desk are a most entertaining education. With admiration, TreeKittens 00:31, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quantum dots in living cells

A strong delete from me! Tim Vickers 15:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at it Tim - I couldn't make heads or tails of it. Another editor has prodded Quantum dots in living cells anyway. Best regards --TreeKittens 17:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pets Evacuation and Transportation Standards Act

Thank you. :) And thank you for finding the specific information to link the act to Snowball. I was somewhat concerned that without specific evidence that Snowball was the dog, reference to him or her might be removed from PETS. Now that there's no question, I also felt comfortable inserting the information into Social_effects_of_Hurricane_Katrina#Animal_issues. Such a sad, sad situation. :( I'm so glad that Representative Lantos decided to do something about it. --Moonriddengirl 13:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Well I think you came up with a good solution in the end too :-) TreeKittens 01:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Evolutionary Astrology

Hi Tree Kittens,

Thank you for taking the time to read my FIRST article on Wikipedia. It was an assignment for a university class. I am not Jeff Green and did use his book to try to accurately surmise this movement in astrology since he created it. It wasn't intended to be a 'book report', it isn't intended to sell more of his books ~ in fact, Part II isn't even in print. Jeff Green is retired from counseling, and some people consider him quite an eccentric and a brillant astrologer. He, on the other hand, could care less what anyone thinks. This was MY attempt to record under "Current Western" contributions a technique/philosophy which I hear a lot about at astrological conferences.

I will be taking the course from the School of Evolutionary Astrology located in South Dakota. While my entry is accused of 'rambling' and of being 'crud' ~ I didn't even include other information Green uses as part of his technique as it isn't a 'how to' format. But, it wasn't easy to say all he has to say either.

On behalf of future 'newbies', I thank you for your sensitive and thoughtful comments.

Leslie Lucrisia Seattle, Washington —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leslie Lucrisia (talk • contribs) 08:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Responded to on his talk page (diff.). Thanks, --TreeKittens 01:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Speedy deletion?

Yes, indeed it was a mistake. I requested a speedy deletion but then searched on the Google to see to article is notable. Thanks for your action. Gnanapiti 06:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Replied to on his talk page here. --TreeKittens 06:15, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My successful RfA

I've done a group thanks as recommended, but I wanted to drop you a note personally to thank you for coming out in support of my RfA. :) It's a surprisingly stressful procedure--I felt like an article up for speedy deletion sometimes--and seeing people I've worked with in the project was a huge help. --Moonriddengirl 01:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey - well done! Responded to on her talk page here --TreeKittens 18:11, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Delta Lambda Psi

Hello Tree Kittens, thank you for offering your help. I am the President of Delta Lambda Psi, which is a new co-ed Fraternity (running three years now), and am trying to get on wikipedia to network with other fraternities/sororities, but am kinda lost when it comes to rules/regulation of wikipedia. I want DLP to become a "neutral" page, but thought it was already, so don't know what to do with that...and don't really understand what/where to cite things. And it looks like it has been categorized into different categories and the two I see are great, but don't know how to accept that category or what I need to do with that. Basically, I'm trying to read the wikipedia language, and am stuck trying to interpret it. So yeah, thanks again for any help you can give since I obviously need a ton!

Responded to on his talk page here. Cheers, --TreeKittens 00:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


Heya! Thanks so much for your reply. So the DLP page was deleted for lack of information, but as Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia, I thought it would be good to have it mentioned as one of the few, if not the only, queer co-ed and allied Greek society. DLP is a validated club from the Student Activities Office at UCSC http://soar.ucsc.edu/organizations.htm and has a distrubtion list from our Qconnect media http://queer.ucsc.edu/events/qconnect%20April%209-15.html, and the feminist studes updates http://humwww.ucsc.edu/FMST/PDFs/biWeeklyUpdate91406.pdf

Is there any way these sources can validate DLP for inclusion as a true greek org? Thanks.TimTlafond 16:57, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

No worries, responded to on his talk page here --TreeKittens 23:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] other conversations

The article was deleted under speedy deletion criterion A7 for lack of reliable sources establishing its notability. I did a little Google search on "Delta Lambda Psi", and found no suitable reliable sources for them. Everything I found is just a trivial mention of the organization's name, but no articles from reliable sources actually on the topic of Delta Lambda Psi. SchuminWeb (Talk) 17:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Since DLP is a new organization, and not necessarliy a fact based theory on evolution or anything of the sort, how can a page be created that follows standard protocal of Wikipedia? There are a number of fraternities/sororities that are on Wikipedia, how do they get around using reliable sources for their inclusion? DLP is undisputed as an organization recognized by the University of California, the Student Activities Office, and the student population...I just don't know how to translate that into reliable source status. Thanks so much for you help/advise! Tlafond 17:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Short answer: You don't. If there is nothing to be found from reliable sources, then 10 to 1 says it doesn't meet inclusion criteria and becomes subject to deletion. As for others, if they're not backed up with reliable sources, then that needs to be fixed, or they're possibly lacking in notability and they would also be subject to deletion. SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

MY QUESTION Do you agree with this postion? Is there no way to have DLP included as a reference source for other fraternities/sororities on wikipedia? Or as a reference point for the GLBTQ community and its allies? Thanks again for your help in all this! You're great! Tlafond 19:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Responded to on his talk page here :-) TreeKittens 23:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contesting a deletion

If an article has already gone to AfD, you need to post on the AfD page for that article, not that article's talkpage. Otherwise, it will be viewed as an uncontested deletion! --Orange Mike 14:17, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Responded to on his talk page here --TreeKittens 21:44, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Sadi Carnot

Hey there. I just started an ANI thread on our mutual acquaintance. Since you also expressed reservations at his contributions, you might want to chime in. — Coren (talk) 03:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=166067385&oldid=166067300$ contains some bad new about Sadi Carnot's block.Kww 16:40, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks :) Replied to here. Peace ~ TreeKittens 16:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Occam's Razor with respect to Georgi Libb Thims Shukun Gladyshev

Occam's Razor leads me to the conclusion that there are two or three people having a lot of fun spamming their site and making everyone at Wikipedia run around like chickens with their heads cut off, as a sideshow to their normal day-to-day pseudoscience activities. Where does it lead you?Kww 01:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, it is certainly a whirlpool of very confusing self-reference, wrapped in unlikely coincidences. I really don't know what to think right now. The people are probably real. How they are being represented here and there is another matter. Wherever I look I see nothing but a reflection. --TreeKittens 02:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Unlikely coincidences ... you are a master of understatement. Of course, according to Physchim62, it's all my fault because I stopped assuming good faith somewhere around the third coincidence in a series of 300.Kww 02:18, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, well I think this whole affair is extremely not fun. Unfortunately I think the invocation of all these official processes has made it difficult for us to investigate the facts of the matter and discuss them properly, in one place. I am quite new to wikipedia, and I'm totally new to these sorts of issues. This isn't what I signed up for. I am finding this a complete nightmare. Maybe that's the idea. Maybe it's something else. Best wishes to you - and the truth will out one way or another. --TreeKittens 02:48, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
It's not the fun part. Remember, you don't really have to do it ... you can just happily edit articles and ignore all the rest. I agree that the processes are half the problem. Everyone tries to be so polite that I wind up looking like a jerk just for being straightforward. You've done a lot of valuable work, and I have really appreciated it. I would be talking it up more, but then you would wind up in the same arbitration, which is a place you really don't want to be. Kww 03:04, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I'll support Kww here and tell you that you are doing great work; but investigating willful disrution of the encyclopedia is thankless hard work. Some are more resilient to this sort of abuse than others, and nobody would think any less of you if you concentrated on the good parts of Wikipedia. The process is complex and long because we all try very hard to maintain WP as an open encyclopedia... that pretty much has to mean excluding people is hard; even in cases which can appear to be obvious. I would not worry, if I were you. Sadi Carnot will be found out regardless and will either mend his ways or be excluded. Eventually, if not now. — Coren (talk) 17:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a lot to both of you for being so friendly! I didn't mean I was having a nightmare here by the way - that referred to the stuff I was finding on the web. Actually people have been very polite and friendly to me here. Oh, and Kww - it is perfectly obvious to me that you are both kind and direct. Good qualities both. Thanks again, and the very best wishes from me. --TreeKittens 05:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)