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[edit] Famous natives
Perhaps it would be wise to move the list of famous natives to the Province of Trento page? It would beef it up a bit, not to mention that many names on the list aren't strictly natives of the town proper. What do you think? --Tridentinus 22:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Name in English
Shouldn't this be at the English name "Trent", such as Council of Trent for example? Gryffindor 15:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Through Trent is an English word for Trento, it isn't common English usage. I'm assuming good faith here that you aren't simply trying to stir the pot Gryffindor. Taalo 16:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- It’s never too early to start making the Christmas pudding! (Which reminds me that my grandmother and her sister discovered that if you tip a pudding out its bowl, slice the top off and put it back, noone will notice. And that you can repeat the operation several times without anyone noticing. Or not until Christmas Day, when they got good hiding each.)
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- But seriously, I think contemporary English usage is for Lazio, Livorno and Trento rather than Latium, Leghorn and Trent. Which is a shame, because Leghorn is a wonderfully comic name for a place to have, and the younger generations of English speakers are missing out on a spot of fun. But that�’s the way the language has moved. —Ian Spackman 21:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] German name
Ah, more stirring of the pot. :} We should discuss here if the page needs the German name Trient before starting another edit war. Trento was under Austria-Hungary, but there are essentially no Germans in this region. Is it really necessary to include the German name? Do we need to go all over Wikipedia and include the names of former occupiers? Seems a bit unnecessary. Would like English-speakers input rather than Italian or Germans. thanks. Taalo 16:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, last summer the Val di Susa article looked like this, so there would be a precedent! —Ian Spackman 21:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- ROFLOL! Hey, I remember Eugene_van_der_Pijll voting on the TA-AA/ST issue before..hah. Man, oh man... o_O Taalo 21:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- To be fair it wasn’t Eugene who introduced that oddity: he was just the last editor to fail to spot it. In fact, of course, it’s a good sign of there being a bit of multi-lingualism around. Someone, I guess, came accross what was a micro-stub of an English article, spotted that there was a better one in German and translated it in just that bit too much of a hurry! But we are allowed to make those sorts of mistakes on wikis: they correct themselves. (Eventually. Perhaps.) —Ian Spackman 22:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- For sure it is nicer to see honest mistakes. I'm still all for Zugen-TreniItalia though. Taalo 22:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- To be fair it wasn’t Eugene who introduced that oddity: he was just the last editor to fail to spot it. In fact, of course, it’s a good sign of there being a bit of multi-lingualism around. Someone, I guess, came accross what was a micro-stub of an English article, spotted that there was a better one in German and translated it in just that bit too much of a hurry! But we are allowed to make those sorts of mistakes on wikis: they correct themselves. (Eventually. Perhaps.) —Ian Spackman 22:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- ROFLOL! Hey, I remember Eugene_van_der_Pijll voting on the TA-AA/ST issue before..hah. Man, oh man... o_O Taalo 21:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Ah, but Trenitalia is just Trenitalia from Trento to Trapani. This is the Trento page. ON the topic at hand, just like cities that changed hands usually have a list of historical official names (See, for example, Lvov), and Trento was Austrian for more than a century, what's the problem having it? I'd even have no qualms with "Welschtirol", if the page was called Trentino instead of Province of Trento - a post-WWI creation. Tridentinus 13:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't really have problems with Welschtirol or Trient myself. They are part of the history. I think including these names somewhere in the body of the history section makes a lot of sense. Having them in the first line, well, I'm not so sure. Anyway, in the end every name is just an invention. My feeling is that Italy has provinces now and those should have pages, just as all 50 states of the US have pages. Some of those 50 states are recent inventions as well. Taalo 17:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- Welschtirol is historik, Trient is actual (for me the Capital of Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol is called Trient). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Emes (talk • contribs) 09:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC).
- Not sure whether it is better to be actual or historic. I think that in term of an an encyclopedia the latter is more important: today decays much faster than yesterday! And that is precisely the reason why people are voting for the historical term South Tyrol, as against the contemporary Province of Bolzano! —Ian Spackman 11:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Historic official names are commonplace in Wikipedia at the start of an article. See Lviv, Kaliningrad, Nice. Not to mention that Trento was part of the Holy Roman Empire, and at one point had a sizeable German population (30% at least); Goethe coming to Italy, and arriving in the German district, still heard enough German to write he didn't really feel he was in Italy yet. For all these reasons I feel that the German name should be in. Tridentinus 16:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, sounds good, especially your point of Historic official names are commonplace in Wikipedia at the start of an article. Do you think we need Latin in the start of the article too? I guess it could be kind of interesting for pages in Italy. Taalo 22:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Welschtirol is historik, Trient is actual (for me the Capital of Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol is called Trient). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Emes (talk • contribs) 09:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Famous natives pt.2
I removed two entries from the famous natives. Googling for Mr Palermo awards no result opinting at his even national notoriety, and Trasmonti only resulted in pages sourced from this article. In short, it's vandalism. Tridentinus 22:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Removal category request
Remove from category:Major Cities in Italy. Trento is not one of Italian Major cities i.e. it in not in the list of the ten biggest cities for population. --EH101 (talk) 15:38, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
