Talk:Treaty of The Hague

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Treaty of Den Haag → Treaty of The Hague — Per WP:USEENGLISH and WP:COMMONNAME. See citations and external links at individual treaty articles for examples. —  AjaxSmack  06:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Auxiliary moves:

• Treaty of Den Haag (1625)
• Treaty of Den Haag (1661)
• Treaty of Den Haag (1698)
• Treaty of Den Haag (1701)
• Treaty of Den Haag (1709)
• Treaty of Den Haag (1720)
• Treaty of Den Haag (1795)
• Treaty of Den Haag (1895)
• Treaty of Den Haag (1949)

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• Support as nominator. —  AjaxSmack  06:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support. Treaty of Den Haag gets 8 English Google hits of which 7 are derived from Wikipedia, and the eighth while in English is hosted in Germany; German and Dutch are of course very closely related languages forming a language continuum so I'm suspicious. Treaty of the Hague gets almost 33,000 English hits, a few being Wikipedia derived but which still seems quite overwhelming. Andrewa 07:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support per nom and above, this looks like an uncontroversial request to me. Melsaran 15:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I thought it uncontroversial too but you never know. I thought moving Rive Gauche to Left Bank (Paris) was a no foul but was quickly given a slap of reality. Maybe I'll try a few undiscussed bold moves and see what happens. —  AjaxSmack  03:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
• Strongly support just in case it is controversial; one never can tell when some good soul will declare that it is an offense not to use his native spelling. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 01:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment: No Dutch(-speaking) person would ever argue about that. Most Dutch speakers find it fascinating that English has these own spellings. The Dutch wikipedia even has a section on the hagues name in other language, so no need to worrt about.Rex 17:54, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment: Someone must think it's the correct English spelling, or we wouldn't have the article names we do. Agree about the Dutch attitude to variant spellings (although perhaps it's not quite so universal as you suggest). It's an interesting contrast to the French attutude: There seems to be no way that French speakers can comfortably pronounce my surname Alder, because they are used to strictly phonetic pronunciation and to French phonology, and it just doesn't fit these patterns. Andrewa 21:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

But who is this someone? Not even all Dutch people are aware it's 'the hague', let alone foreigners.09:41, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

We could find out from the article histories if you're curious, but it's curiousity value only. Similarly, it's not terribly relevant whether Dutch speakers know the English name, what we are after here is the best name for the article in English. No change of vote. Andrewa 20:47, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

• Strong support.Rex 17:54, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support; Ajax is doing a real good work in implementing WP:UE in the titles of a large range of articles.--Aldux 10:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.