Talk:Treaty of Paris (1783)

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[edit] Map?

We need a map.--Pupster21 13:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


Does anyone know where the treaty was actually signed in Paris. Like is there a building where they sign treaties or something? I ask because I am going to Paris for the summer and thought it would be cool to find out. --ScottyBoy900Q 12:49, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)i think this will help you alot!

____________________________________________________________________________________ IPS: I'm not a history professor, but didn't this country initially try a different form of government before becoming the United States of America with the current constitution?

The United States of America was governor by several organizational structures, most notably the Articles of the Confederation, before the ratification of the United States Constitution in 1787. However, it had been called the United States of America since the Declaration of Independence in 1776. ___________________________________________________________________________________

[edit] British Colonies in North America changed to United States of America

I changed the phrase "British Colonies in North America" to "United States of America" as the British had already legally recognized the soverignity of the United States of America in the autumn of 1782. Of course, the colonies had already recognized their own soverignity in 1776. The text of treaty states that the treaty is with the United States of America, not former colonies.

Could someone explain this: "longer than that required by the treaty"

I don't understand, it was ratified within 6 months, so what's the problem? Krupo 02:04, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, that is a little puzzling. If it stays it needs some additional explanation. See [1]. Apparently the "longer than required" refers to the date ratifications were exchanged -- which was recorded in Franklin's diary as May 12, 1784. And Britain's ratification occured on April 9, 1784. Both of which dates are more than six months after September 3, 1783. I'm not sure if it is worth going into very much detail though, since there was no controversy what so ever about it. older≠wiser 12:02, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Ah... well even this brief explanation on the talk page does the trick for anyone who wanders in and gets confused - thanks. :) Krupo 04:26, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)
I've removed the six months reference and substituted a timeline- the ratified copies did not arrive back in Europe from America until March 1784, already beyond the six month recommendation (which was NOT a strict condition) David Trochos (talk) 19:44, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moved from article

  • wow, i just put websites down and everybody was jumping all over it . i wanted to help peopl find other cool info on thsi treaty . on website i put down was really cool. i thsowed a pic of the treaty and you coul dscroll over it and it woul dmove , like you were moving it

The following was poorly placed (after the External links section), unwikified, and looks somewhat like a school essay. If there's anything worth keeping, it can be re-merged. older≠wiser 00:40, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The Revolutionary War ended with Cornwallis' surrender at Yorktown in 1781. John Adams, John Jay, Benjamin Franklin, and Henry Laurens were sent to Paris to make the treaty. The British were anxious to stop the fighting with the colonies so they settled for most anything our representatvies wanted. --Some problems at the Peace Treaty signing was that the French were not reps. They got upset with the colonies because they thought they might get something out of it since they helped the colonies through the whole war. Benjamin Franklin was friends with the British, he talked to them and then it was all ok. --Another problem was that they werent for sure what to do with the Loyalists land. Suring the war, the Loyalists got scared and fled. They left most of their stuff, the U.S. sold it and to get money to help pay off their debt.

The Treaty of Pairs: 1. recognized the colonies as the United States of America 2. established the boundaries between the United States and British North America 3. granted fishing rights to United States fishermen in the Grand Banks, off the coast of Newfoundland and in the Gulf of Saint Lawrence 4.United States Congress will "earnestly recommend" to state legislatures to recognize the rightful owners of all confiscated lands "provide for the restitution of all estates, rights, and properties, which have been confiscated belonging to real British subjects." (never implemented) 5.prisoners of war on both sides are to be released

The treaty was signed On September 3, by David Hartley (a member of the British Parliament), John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and John Jay (representing the United States).

The Continental Congress ratified the treaty on January 14, 1784.

The British troops were never completely removed because we had no army left to make them.

could you tell me what the consequences were?????

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[edit] Where was it signed?

I agree I'd like to know where this was signed if anybody could answer this soon I'd really appreciate it. =)♠(Jman2213 18:12, 22 February 2007 (UTC))

Now included- better later than never. David Trochos (talk) 20:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] clarify this please?

Rephrase part of 'British recognition of American independence' ??

... Formerly, they had not acknowledged that he [replace 'he' with 'the ambasador'] represented Americans. The American ambassador rejected his [replace 'his' with 'the British diplomat's '] credentials because they did not authorize him to negotiate with representatives of "the United States of America". ...

After my first read through I thought there was an error (American ambassador switched with British diplomat), as 'he' was used for the diplomat and for the ambassador. I had to read through it two more time to be certain of what it was trying to convey. Changing the 'he' to the persons actual name/title/etc improves clarity at the cost of 3 additional words, seems worth it.

72.137.47.223 09:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC) newb

[edit] Preface

The preface is longer than 9 of the 10 Articles, and it needs to be mentioned in the article, especially for its opening sentence, which is significant to the raging argument over America's Christian heritage:

"In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity."

We have a huge amount of material in the far less important Treaty of Tripoli article about the provision in (the Barlow translation of) that treaty which is said to relate to that argument.

I've added a brief summary of the preface to the outline. NCdave (talk) 06:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Good idea to put in the summary, though it's perhaps worth pointing out here that as the 1783 Treaty predates the current Constitution, it does not have to be seen as relevant to the de jure separation of state and religion. David Trochos (talk) 08:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I was speaking of America's heritage, not its Constitution. With respect to de jure separation, the fact that some States allowed only Christians to hold public office for more than 100 years after the nation's founding would seem to be dispositive of that question.
BTW, nice work on the Peace of Paris (1783) article. NCdave (talk) 05:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)