Talk:Treaty of New Echota

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[edit] Mis-information

Much of the information on this page is incorrect. I will consider editing myself or speaking with the person who wrote this in the very near future. Please contact me for further information, anytime.

Annie Connors-Maloney Cherokee Historian

"Elected officials of the Cherokee Nation rejected the treaty"  Did they also reject the $4.5 million?  

Who signed the treaty on behalf of the Cherokees?

[edit] More information needed

I'd like to see more info in this article.

How many Indians were there in the territory involved (before the treaty)? What is the territory involved (before the treaty - maps would be nice)?

"the Cherokee nation refused to recognize the validity of the treaty."

I'd like to see this expanded upon. What was the population of the Cherokee nation? What were the borders? How many refused?

"The petition was ignored by President Martin Van Buren, who soon thereafter directed General Winfield Scott to forcibly move those Cherokee who had not yet complied with the treaty and moved west."

How many Cherokee "had not yet complied with the treaty"? How many had?

The question of acceptance aside, were the terms of the treaty honored by all sides?

This seems like a pretty scant article for such an important part of American history. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.131.149.122 (talk) 20:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Complete fabrication

Nearly all of this article is fiction. In fact, the delegation that met with Schermerhorn at New Echota was the official delegation chosen to meet with him by the Cherokee National Council in their meeting of October 1835. It's true that only the representatives from the Upper Towns and the Lower Towns attended (and they waited a week for those from the Hill and Valley Towns to arrive, but they never did), but they were unanimous in their agreement that the Treaty should be signed. It's true none were elected, at least not according to their Constitution; they had been elected in 1828, and retained their offices after the elections that were supposed to take place in 1832 were suspended, at the suggestion of no less than John Ross himself, just as he retained his own. Had the elections been held in 1832, John Ridge would likely have defeated him. Natty4bumpo, 2109, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Natty,do your homework. The historical sources are completely against your rendition. Perhaps as a primer you could try reading the two volume edition of John Ross's letters and a guide to documenting your claims. In order to call something a fiction or a complete fabrication, you need to have legitimate sources to back your claims up. You have none. You cite none. You don't have a leg to stand on.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.113.176.61 (talk) 04:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Dear "unsigned": Your version does agree with popular history I'll admit, but it doesn't match the facts nor the records of the Cherokee National Council. That much I discovered while doing actual research in an ultimately futile attempt to refute what I'd been told by Raymond Evans, one of the two founders of the Journal of Cherokee Studies, about the events surrounding the treaty and the removal. No doubt the non-Cherokee speaking John Ross is your hero, but you'd probably be astonished to find out just how much it was he rather than the Ridges who betrayed the Cherokee. I should probably confess that my great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather was David Watie, or Uwati, Major Ridge's brother, but that was something I didn't discover until some time after actual historical facts force me to abandon my previous misbeliefs and accept Ray's version. Natty4bumpo, 2109, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

In addition, this is the "Discussion" page, not the article which is the proper place for citing sources, as I have done after correcting the most aggregious myths. Natty4bumpo, 1640 EDT, 15 May 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.60.15.209 (talk) 20:41, 15 May 2008 (UTC)