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Contents 1 Comments 1.1 Merger 1.2 We need a map 1.3 Edit of Inaccurate Statements 1.4 Omissions in the text 1.5 WikiProject class rating

[edit] Comments

[edit] Merger

Should this really be a separate article from the Congress of Berlin? IMHO they should be merged. --romanm (talk) 21:09, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC) I concur. --SCJE (talk) 02:46, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] We need a map

If someone has one, it would be woulderful if he or she uploaded it. --Zantastik talk 17:17, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Here's one.---Andrei 13:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit of Inaccurate Statements

The Treaty of Berlin called in vague wording for a border rectification between Greece and the Ottomans to be negotiated between those two powers; it is not accurate to say the Treaty failed to provide a new border since one was eventually agreed upon. That this took three years is not surprising since one power was expected to give up territory to another without any land having exchanged hands due to military conflict.

The borders of Serbia, Montenegro, Bulgaria, Eastern Rumelia, and Rumania were all established by commissions after the Treaty was signed as well, most of this work continuing into 1880.

I do not see how the provisions of the Treaty led to Greco-Ottoman conflict; quite the opposite, relations were quite smooth until 1896. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpiccone (talk • contribs) 18:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Omissions in the text

The article does not currently give information about what reactions did this treaty provoke in the affected states. This is a signifficant omission because the change of borders and jurisdiction for the second time, first being the treaty of San Stefano, raised controversies among those states and, to a large extent, determined their national priorities and courses of actions in some of the biggest events of the century. But not being a historian myself, I suggest that someone should see to this.

Also, I noticed the article says that Bulgaria was "divided between the Principality of Bulgaria and the autonomous province of Eastern Rumelia". In fact, Bulgaria was divided into three pieces, the third being the territory of Macedonia which was returned to the Ottoman empire.-- Lyubomir, 87.126.150.7 12:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

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