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Proofreaders Needed ----- (fr) Ordre des francs-jardiniers → (en) Order of Free Gardeners ---- (more info)
 


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I do not know sufficient about the templates in the French version for citations, to reproduce them in the English version. Somebody who understands more about this could tidy this up a lot.

  • N'exerçant pas une profession citadine, ils ne pouvaient pas obtenir le statut de corporation  ⇔  Not practicing an urban profession, they could not obtain the status of a guild
I think that the word "corporation" can be used in English for this, but it seems strange to me, and perhaps "guild" is better?
I think "guild" is correct. Christophe Dioux


  • Le succès aidant,  ⇔  Success helping
This sounds horrible. Must be something better.
Sorry that I can't help. Christophe Dioux


  • Au XXe siècle, les deux guerres mondiales appellèrent sous les drapeaux ...  ⇔  In the 20th Century, the two World Wars called up most of the members.
Seems the right sense, but perhaps is not quite correct.
It is the right sense. Christophe Dioux


  • Ces disparitions s'inscrivaient dans un mouvement sociologique beaucoup plus vaste  ⇔ 

These disappearances were making themselves felt in a sociological movement very much more vast

I don't have a good way of translating s'inscrire here. Perhaps the modern "impacted on"?
I suggest "These disappearances were part of a very much more vast sociological movement", but I'm not sure it is correct in english? Christophe Dioux


  • On ne trouve aucune trace de rituels ou de connaissances réservées aux initiés dans les documents de la fraternité datant de la fin du XVIIe siècle, toutefois, l'intérêt rapidement marqué de membres de l'aristocratie laisse supposer que cette association ne s'occupait pas exclusivement d'assurance mutuelle  ⇔  One finds no trace of rituals or of knowledge reserved to the initated in the documents of the fraternity dating from the end of the 17th Century, however, the interest rapidly shown by the members of the aristocracy suggests that this association did not exclusively deal with mutual assurance.
"laisser supposer" here, I just leave as "suggest"
perfect Christophe Dioux


  • Signes, Secrets et Attouchements  ⇔  Signs, Secrets and Grips
I have seen "grips" used as the translation in masonic articles, but it refers to handshakes, I think. Not sure which is preferable.
"Signs, Grips and Words" in english-speaking freemasonry, I guess. Christophe Dioux


  • « tailler les vices [...]et bouturer les vertus »  ⇔  "pruning the vices and making cuttings from the virtues"
Best I could do at using gardening vocabulary
"bouturer"="propagate by cuttings", according to my Collins-Robert Dictionary. The idea is to cut and distroy the vices, but to propagate by cuttings the virtues. Christophe Dioux


  • Les années suivantes voient un assez grand nombre d'aristocrates se faire initier à la franc-jardinerie dans la loge de Dunfermline, même lorsqu'ils demeurent à proximité de celle d'Haddington qui reste principalement opérative  ⇔  The following years see a fairly large number of aristocrats become initiated in Free Gardening in the Dunfermline lodge, even while they remain on the edge of the Haddington lodge which remains mainly active.
I translated operative = active, but perhaps it means that the lodge was dominated by workers, rather than aristocrats?
That's it: "operative lodges" were those who remained dominated by the actual grassroot gardeners, while the others, namely "speculatives" (one would say "philosophical" nowadays) were dominated by the aristocrats.Christophe Dioux


  • Presque tous les membres connus qui ont appartenu aux deux ordres furent francs-jardiniers avant de devenir francs-maçons. Le plus grand groupe de francs-jardiniers devenus par la suite francs-maçons intégra la loge maçonnique "Kilwinning Scots Arms", fondée en 1729.  ⇔  The largest group of Free Gardners who later became Freemasons joined the "Kilwinning Scots Arms" Masonic lodge founded in 1729.


Right. The first sentence is to say that several freegardeners joined freemasonry, but there is no ancient record of the contrary (freemasons joining freegardeners).Christophe Dioux


  • Il s'agissait de neuf membres de la loge de francs-jardiniers de Dunfermline. Aucun d'entre eux n'était jardinier de métier, il s'agissait d'aristocrates et de militaires.  ⇔  There were new members of the free gardeners Dunfermline lodge. None of them were gardeners by trade, they were aristocrats and soldiers.


Well, here, "neuf" is "nine". There were nine members. Christophe Dioux

Judge Nutmeg 04:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Judge. --Christophe Dioux 14:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

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