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Contents 1 An Offer 2 Unreliable proponent 3 you may want to chime in at 4 DRV 5 WP:HAU 6 Revert of WEB ROOM 7 Ed Biado 8 Division by zero 9 Welcome to WP:HVNY! 10 sports bio's 11 minor newspaper people 12 HHAAH 13 I'm not a puppet 14 Liz Wilde 15 Sockpuppet report 16 Thank you 17 BOTREQ 18 Eco is back 19 your infinite wisdom is requested 20 My Rfa 21 6/9 DYK 22 Page Restoration Haiku 23 Cera Products, CeraSport and CeraLyte page deletions and my warning??????

[edit] An Offer

Since your familiar with how I edit and what I've gotten myself into :D, I was wondering if you could me my new admin coach. Rlevse has had good advice, but it just doesn't seem like he and I are getting anywhere. What do you think? Dusti^{complain/compliment} 03:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Dusti. I really appreciate your asking me but right now isn't good for a number of reasons, primarily my own lack of time. I don't think I'd be able to give you the time you or any other coachee deserved since my on Wiki time is a bit scattered. My own suggestion? Continue the AfD work you were doing with Keeper and stick your toe back in to other areas that interested you before your wikibreak. Take some time to delve back in and see where you think you need help. I don't know much about your work with Rlevse but maybe ask he, I and Keeper questions when needed? I'm not saying no, I'm saying not now. That make sense? That said, I'm glad to see you back. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 13:12, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I understand. Let me know when your willing to take up the "challenge". Dusti^{complain/compliment} 17:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unreliable proponent

Check out the last seven diffs. Wtf? Tan | 39 15:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

pointy much? I can't speak to the other noms but I've never had any interaction with this user before. I'm echoing what I said at yesterday's meet-up, if people are this drama fueled by Wikipedia they really need to find the log off button. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 15:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] you may want to chime in at

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#"Unrealiable prodders". --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 16:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

done, thanks :) ps my "personal problem" is a bit better due to a few streaks. :) _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 16:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

But only until your false idol gets smacked around like a rented mule next Tuesday :-) --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 20:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

rented mule? He's Yankee talent brought up through the farm. At least if you're going to insult the pitching staff use it for those rented (and more than willing to return) i.e. Latrine and King Worthless. In Joba We Trust _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 20:36, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, King Worthless was at his best tonight, blowing another one. It would be most ironic is he blows Joba's game in the eighth tommorow. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't think they'll give him the chance. Oddly enough -- he seems better in the second game in a row rather than the first appearance. Personally I go with what my brother's boss said, he should be traded for a bagel and cheese. My initial thought was a pair of socks. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 12:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DRV

Could you please withdraw the DRV on this? I don't care if you or any other admin restores the article to work on it. What a mess though! Cheers :) Gwen Gale (talk) 02:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, went to bed. I'll close and restore it. Stubbification may be best. Feel free to AfD it after that if you don't think he's notable but I still don't think he's an A7 (and definitely not a G7) _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 12:41, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:HAU

Hello yet again. I regretfully inform you that the bot we were using to update the user status at Wikipedia:Highly Active Users, SoxBot V, was blocked for its constant updating. With this bot out of operation, a patch is in the works. Until that patch is reviewed and accepted by the developers, some options have been presented to use as workarounds: 1) Qui monobook (not available in Internet Explorer); 2) User:Hersfold/StatusTemplate; 3) Manually updating User:StatusBot/Status/USERNAME; or 4) Not worry about it and wait for the patch to go through, which hopefully won't take long. If you have another method, you can use that, too. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Useight (talk) 18:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Revert of WEB ROOM

Thanks for reverting this, I am still new here and really had not put much thought into "good faith". I have decided instead of tagging them for speedy deletion, unless it is blatant copyright violations or "Hey I am Mike, I am so cool.." type pages, I am going to use template messages. Click23 (talk) 19:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

No worries, I don't know with any certainty that it's a notable internet cafe but I think a few more days of existence won't hurt us or the project. Good faith is a good thing, and conversation with people (rather than the vandals, as you indicate above) is usually a net positive. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me and I'll try to help. Welcome! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 19:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ed Biado

Hey! Almost all the references were written by him. He's a professional writer/free lancer but this in itself doesn't confer any notability. The other sources noted are very thin and I don't think they amount to wide independent coverage or significance. Would you mind if I nominated this for AfD? Cheers, Gwen Gale (talk) 04:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I said I had no problem with that from the beginning, just that it wasn't a speedy. Some published newspaper journalists are kept, some aren't. Go right ahead. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 13:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

K, didn't know what you had in mind is all :) Gwen Gale (talk) 14:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't actually expect to get to finish clearing out the crud from the article before it got vandalised again. I personally don't agree that people are notable just for being published writers but in some cases, writers, journalists and broadcasters have been kept. I probably won't !vote because I don't have a strong opinion either way, but I don't feel strongly enough for deletion that I would take it to AfD unless that was consensus, so I didn't. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 14:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey! I understand (more or less) now, I think! Yes, there is something odd going on with that article, too. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

you mean you're not psychic! :o Bad admin! There's been something rotten in Denmark from the first time it crossed my watch list. It's not a hoax, but I don't know *what* it is. Part of me said why do I care saving an article that appears to some to be a joke, but then I think well maybe I'm missing something. I don't know of any Phillipine-based editors to ask for a closer eye. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 15:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't know either :) The pith is there is almost no meaningful independent coverage about him, stuff written by him, which for a newspaper employee or free lancer is not at all notable here. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Division by zero

heh, thanks. I was wondering if my creative block reasons would be noticed, I guess they were =) xenocidic (talk) 13:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to WP:HVNY!

I saw on Daniel Case's talk page that you discovered the project at the NYC meetup. It's good to see that we're advertised. :) Again, welcome! Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 15:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome. I was born and mostly raised in the area, Rockland County and I love it. Happy to help improve its coverage. I've done some work on articles in its scope, ie. Hudson River Museum before I knew of the project and plan to continue. Have a nice day! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 17:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem; and thanks for joining, or else I wouldn't have remembered to create that welcome template! Yeah, Rockland County's a nice place. I come from a stone throw north of there. I look foreward to seeing the articles you work on. Cheers, Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 17:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] sports bio's

Are all professional athletes automatically notable? Why does a current team roster belong in Wikipedia? --BobBagwill (talk) 17:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

per WP:ATHLETE, which is generally accepted, "Competitors and coaches who have competed in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis." Playing for a national team is certainly an assertion of notability. If you disagree, you're more than welcome to take them to AfD, but I don't expect they'd be deleted as sources can most certainly be found. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 17:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] minor newspaper people

My advice is to not try too hard on these--I think you will find the results don;t repay the work. I used to try , also, till I gave up on finding anything that people would think significant. DGG (talk) 17:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Ed Biano or Elizabeth Wiatt. If it's the former, all I wanted out of it was trying to sort out the vandalism to figure out what the article was supposed to be about. I just knew it wasn't an A7 and certainly was not a G7, I didn't think there was anything wrong with giving it a 5 day chance. If anything I swear I've turned more inclusionist lately. If it's the latter, I agree it's weak and I don't intend to put any more work into it. Have a good day! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 17:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] HHAAH

I am sorry the link you've provided is invalid. YOUR REFERENCES ARE NOT UP TO PAR.Jjonjonjon (talk) 03:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I'm not a puppet

Aw, I just looked and saw you added me to the sockpuppet list, I'm not one of them! The reason for my reverse of my own post is because I added some gadgets like tickle or something like that, and it marked my edit as vandalism.I unchecked these in my preferences now because I'mnot at all familiar with them.. But I thought you had marked it as vandalism and undid it. I'm sorry. I have nothing to do with these puppets! I want the page deleted! Thank you, please reply or take me off. I've been on wiki for awhile. Kerrylionberry (talk) 04:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Coupled with the information posted by another editor, I'm going to leave it stand. If you're found to be uninvolved, it will be fine. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 13:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright. I guess next time I shouldn't play around with the gadgets on the preferences. And the gdget is called twinkle not tickle. haha I just noticed that. But Anyways I'm not going to touch those again until I know what I'm doing..look where it got me..on everyones bad side When only I was trying to help out around here. This whole Heather Dylan ordeal is making me give second thoughts on being on the wikipedia site. Some people just have to ruin it for others.. :( Kerrylionberry (talk) 20:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Liz Wilde

FWIW, it's not at all clear that this article was originally an autobiography (though the current edit appears to be one). It was created as a stub by an anonymous editor in 2005. Dppowell (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree but it was headed down that path now and worth a warning. The issue is, she is probably notable but when autobiographies get in the mix it gets even more convoluted. Thanks for the heads up! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 13:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that it is best to WP:AGF editors that edit their own articles. WP:COI seems more suited to corporations than to individuals. 69.140.152.55 (talk) 22:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sockpuppet report

I just wanted to let you know that I have added some additional evidence to the report. The additional evidence is just a whole load of observations I have witnessed over the last day or so but they link many of the suspected sockpuppets together so that's why I added it. Also thank you for filing the report as I've been involved with the article pretty much since it's third creation and well, I was afraid (well not "afraid" afraid :D) what would happen if I called the duck a duck :) Cheers AngelOfSadness talk 11:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, your information was a lot more comprehensive. I only got involved when I saw someone had tagged it for speedy and noticed that it was also up for AfD. Something was rotten indeed, coupled then with the above comment from the newest potential puppet. I really don't understand what people think they have to gain from puppeting because it's blatantly obvious all too often. And yes, ducks often squeal when stepped on. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 14:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Sure even on the Afd itself, I had to use the {{notaballot}} for the first time ever and even with that in place, more suspected sockpuppets !voted. It's best to remember that whatever they do in future, cannot undo the stuff they have already done i.e. as the account creation and !voting. I mean not even Afd debates related to even Britney Spears gets that much attention from new accounts and that girl is on the news pretty much everyday unlike Heather Dylan. But I do find it strange that so many new accounts said "we're working with other editors to improve it" even though that was their very first edit. But I think there could be good hand, bad hand socks aswell but only the sockpuppet report can confirm that at this point. AngelOfSadness talk 14:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I just had a look at Jjon's contribs to clean up more crap and found this charming comment. I don't think he's here for any productive contributions. His next negative contribution is going to earn him a temporary block because he's been warned more than sufficiently. It's ridiculous. I don't get too involved with socks, User:Boomgaylove was really the only one I dealt with before directly, although Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael L. Vincent was another sock farm of an SPA. The wost of it was removed but *ugh*! I don't get it -- is there that much reward in it? _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 14:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

At first, he seemed ok but then all of a sudden something snapped in him as he even vandalised the article which he created. Unfortunately I have had a lot of experience with sockpuppets but I have never really interacted with single purpose kind. The only thing I can think of is that they create multiple accounts, probably thinking it will outweigh the opposing voters by a few votes, all appearing to be different to make it seem like they are giving different opinions but are really just saying the same thing and this might change the minds of a few people. My theory, is that they do this just to prove a point, and in the Heather Dylan situation, to prove that no one ever checks the references thus probably to prove the unreliabilty of Wikipedia in general. AngelOfSadness talk 14:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for closing the AfD discussion on Michael J. Padilla. I realised my mistake (after the fact, of course) -- when searching to confirm notability on the subject (which I always do before putting an article up), I searched for "Michael J. Padilla" and not "Michael Padilla." Next time, I will know to do searches without middle initials. I appreciate your input in this AfD discussion. :) Ecoleetage (talk) 12:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

No worries, I think a lot of times people forget to check on naming variations. Also I'm not too sure how often that happens in Portuguese but it's fairly common in English for people to be known variously as, for example, Michael, Mike, Mickey, Mike... and it never hurts to check the variations with a keyword, science in this case. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 14:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your advice and understanding.

A luta continua Ecoleetage (talk) 20:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] BOTREQ

Hi there. With the auto-assessments I can also do classes, list, B, GA, ect. Should I run those as well or just stick with stub and start? Lemme know here; I'll watch your page. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that would be great. We don't have our own assessment criteria yet and have accepted other projects' grading of articles so that suits our needs perfectly. I wasn't sure how a bot would handle class so I decided to keep it simple. Thanks again! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 01:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, it should run tomorrow around 2 PM EST, there are around 700 stubs left to do and then I'll be back on the computer (1028 stubs tagged as of right now). Cheers. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Just so you know I have to do a fix. Right under Category:Museum stubs is Category:Zoo stubs. After reading the project page again you guys don't do zoos. I'll remove those. Sorry for the inconvenience. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Whenever you have the chance to run it is fine. I'm likely to be on and off line tomorrow but should be around. I didn't realise zoo stubs was still under there, I thought we fixed all of that. Apologies. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 01:54, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The zoo issue should be finsihed up in about 10 minutes. I'm just happy it wasn't a 3,000 page category to fix. :) §hep • ¡Talk to me! 02:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Do art galleries fall under WP:MUSEUMS? For example do I need to filter: Category:Art museums and galleries in the United Kingdom stubs to remove any titles that contain gallery within them? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 16:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Galleries are within the scope of our project. Luckily there aren't too many of them with articles that aren't spam so we don't have too many to work on, but they are within our scope. Thanks! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 16:54, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Awesome! Everything should be done now. I've assessed everything I can wihout reading the articles. If you ever need anything else feel free to stop by my page! §hep • ¡Talk to me! 16:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I definitely will. Thanks so much for your help! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 17:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Eco is back

Hey, I appreciated your kind words. I decided to return and give it another go. Thanks for your support and friendship. Ecoleetage (talk) 15:31, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

welcome back! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 16:05, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! :) Ecoleetage (talk) 17:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Let me get back to you on that, please, if that is possible. I am heading out for the weekend and may not be online much. Thank you for thinking of me! Ecoleetage (talk) 01:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I am avoiding the Luso version of Wikipedia -- I need to work on my English, which is why I am here. Oh, damn, my ride is here -- need to slide off. Thanks again! Ecoleetage (talk) 01:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello! I put up the English translation of that article. It needs wikifying, to be certain. Thanks, again, for thinking of me! Ecoleetage (talk) 11:02, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] your infinite wisdom is requested

Typical of someone with an abnormally low IQ as myself, I'm having a hard time figuring out my Twinkle. My first problem: It watchlists all the articles where I revert vandalism and the talkpage of its accompanying vandal. I unsuccessfully tried the modifying instructions at Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Twinkle/doc. Would you know how to fix this? --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 15:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My Rfa

Thanks, Travellingcari, for participating in my recent RfA, which recently passed with 81 support and 1 neutral !votes. I appreciate all the support and constructive criticism offered in my RfA and I thank you for taking the time to !vote in my nomination. I feel so honoured to be trusted by so many of you and please, if you have any advice, comments or complaints about my actions as an administrator, leave a note on my talk page. I would also like to thank Acalamari, Rlevse and Nishkid64, for their nomination statements. Thank you again. AngelOfSadness talk 23:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 6/9 DYK

On 9 June 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lake Placid Winter Olympic Museum, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bedford ^Pray 01:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

woohoo, had a feeling when some random edits to the article started to happen that it might be appearing somewhere. Thanks! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 03:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Page Restoration Haiku

I made a page on Wikipedia, but it was gotten rid of.

I would like it back. I have credible sources. I can SO prove it!

Inconvienience, I am sorry for very much. Please, it would mean much.

I will reference. Please undelete it. Thank you very, very much!

IJustDiedInYourArms (talk) 23:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)IJustDiedInYourArms

You definitely get an A for creativity. The issue with Summer Bowling was not a lack of references but a lack of notability perWikipedia's standards. If you think you can write an article that meets those standards, I suggest creating it in your sandbox, for example at User:IJustDiedInYourArms/Summer Bowling with sources and it can then be moved back to main space if it's notable. How does that sound? I'm happy to give you the content to work with, if you'd like. PS: Love the song :) _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 01:00, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cera Products, CeraSport and CeraLyte page deletions and my warning??????

Hi,

I am contacting you concerning the deletion of the Cera Products, CeraSport and CeraLyte pages from Wikipedia. I am fairly new to wikipedia and realize that I may have made errors when first posting pages to the site. Since then I have contacted many of the admins who have edited or deleted my posts with different amounts of success. I have made every attempt to edit the pages I posted to meet the wiki guidelines. I have even gone so far as to mimick the posts of others who have similar pages. The cera pages were crafted to mirror the posts of Gatorade, Poweraid and other sport drink pages. I am not sure why Cera's pages are being singled out for being advertising when the pages I was creating were being taken from the format of these sport drink pages.

I am not trying to cause any issues. I have inquired through the talk pages to each admin who has taken my pages down. One in particular was very helpful and made suggestions to changes that resulted in the post being active for weeks, only to have another editor come along and tag the post as blatent advertising. I am not sure where to go from here.

In the past couple of days another person has joined Wikipedia and has tried to repost Cera pages. Having just joined he was not aware of the editing rules that go along with making pages on the site. I am asking that you reconsider the pages that were pulled. I will supply the copy to an editor and ask them to craft the pages if that would be acceptable. They could strip out anything deemed unacceptable. I am just asking for the same consideration that is afforded to the other sport drink pages on this site. We are not asking for anything else but the chance to post our companies story and product history. We have many articles that back up the information on our posts and can link these in the page.

Please contact me with your suggestions and any insite that you can give me on going forward with the recreation of pages.

Thanks and I eagerly await your reply.

(Bjanis)Bjanis (talk) 04:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)