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I'm not sure wankers counts as "particularily offensive". The Simpsons Greatest Hits VHS tape has the uncut version of the episode on it and it only has a BBFC 12 on it. -- 193.60.173.86


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[edit] GA

As I have never made any sort of contribution to the article (apart from adding the commentary info), I could technically review this article. I won't for the time being, but I do have a few sggestions as if I had reviewed it.

  • One of the members of U2 has no individual lines in the episode, I forget their name but it's the drummer.
  • I think the main image could be better - perhaps a screenshot of Homer with a garbage truck?
  • The lead needs some work. Too many short sentences.
  • Perhaps the note about Linda could also go in the lead.
  • "writers claim, during the commentary for "The Two Mrs. Nahasapeemapetilons", that the same", I don't think there is any need to mention that it's in a commentary as its sourced.
  • The synopsis needs work. There are some minor things mentioned in there that could be trimmed. For example: "Homer starts to promote his campaign. It goes sour at first, Homer bothers U2 by coming out on stage and interrupting the group's performance of "Pride (In the Name of Love)". The campaign continues to fail until Moe thinks of a slogan for his campaign: "Can't Someone Else Do It?" Homer spreads his "Can't Someone Else Do It?" message to the town, which works, leading to Homer's victory in the election. After being sworn in to the office, he shows high hopes, in a parody of "The Candy Man" from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (titled "The Garbageman Can")." I'm generally not a fan of revealing individual jokes during the synopsis unless they are major plot points and the U2 concert and song are basically episode filler, although I think they should be mentioned, just not at such length. It's a synopsis, not an episode review.

If I was the reviewer, I would probably put the article on hold. Anyway, if you like, I could not make any edits to the article and do an official GA review later. -- Scorpion 20:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I've changed all of the things (minus the image which I'll get in a minute), and I've left the "in a parody of "The Candy Man" from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (titled "The Garbageman Can")." in, just to have some sort of cult ref in the article. Gran2 20:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Would you like some help with it, or would you like me to be the GA reviewer? -- Scorpion 20:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Well that depends if your going to pass or fail it doesn't it! :-) But help would be good. Thanks. Gran2 20:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I'll help out. If you need a reviewer, ask user:King Bee, he's been quite helpful in the past. -- Scorpion 20:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
New image in place. Gran2 22:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NAME OF THAT CLASSICAL MUSIC?

Does anyone know the name of the classical music that Lisa imagines playing in her head, after trying to ignore Homer? I first thought it was Goldberg Variations, but I think I’m wrong. Thanks in advance RaptorRobot 12:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

It was Beethoven's "Für Elise", but please do not add it into the article, there is no non SNPP reference for ir so it will just be removed. Also stop adding "from Will Wonka and the Chocolate Factory", the link to "The Candy Man" article is enough, if people want to know where its from they can click on that. Remember its a plot synopsis, you don't need it in there. Gran2 13:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
  5. It is stable.
  6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
  7. Overall:
    a Pass/Fail: [[Image:|15px]]
  • 1 (a) and (b) Prose and Structure :
  1. "twenty second" episode? I think you mean "twenty-second" episode. It sounds like the episode is 20 seconds long, and that doesn't seem right.
  2. The entire article needs to be copyedited. There are commas everywhere there shouldn't be, and missing where they ought to be.
  3. Finally, Moe thinks of a slogan for his campaign: "Can't someone else do it?" --- This is misleading. Homer is the one that says the line, and Moe points out to him that it is a good slogan.
  4. After being sworn in to the office, he shows his what he plans to do by singing "the Garbage man can", a parody of "The Candy Man"[3] entitled "The Garbageman Can". --- This sentence needs a lot of work. Try reading it; it's hard.
  5. The episode marked the first appearance of Costington's department store who's slogan... --- This contains an unacceptable error of "who's" instead of "whose".
  6. The writers claim that the same incident was the basis for the joke in "The Two Mrs. Nahasapeemapetilons" where Moe walks onto the stage and, without breaking his stride, walks off. --- I like this information, but doesn't it seem a little non sequitur? I don't know if this belongs in this article or not. I'm just giving you my first reaction to seeing this sentence.
  7. "The Garbageman" and an extended "long demo version" were later a part of the album Go Simpsonic with The Simpsons. --- This does not belong in the "reception" section, as far as I can tell.
  1. I fear that the plot summary section will be taken as original research by many, since there are no sources cited there. The rest of the article is well-sourced, try doing the same for the plot summary. Check out some other Simpsons' GAs to see how to take care of it.

Sorry, but I have to fail the article. Since the prose and structure is basically the heart of an article, failing pretty badly there will fail the entire article in my eyes. Consider a copyedit and a rewrite of the plot summary section, then renominate the article for GA status. I can tell that a lot of hard work has gone into this article, so just put in a little more. Good luck, I know you can do it. =) –King Bee (T • C) 17:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I've changed most of errors you higlighted, but some of your suggestions I have not implimented. Your penultimate point I personally disagree with, I do see your point, but as you said is good information, and I think it probably should be kept. As for saying that the plot summary may be considered OR, I will give it a good copy edit, but I really don't think it is. See Cape Feare and Homer's Phobia.

Anyway thankyou very much for your review, I will continue to improve the article, all most of my attention will be on Homer's Phobia which, currently on PR, will soon be up for FAC. Your comments were most welcomed! Gran2 18:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Glad I could help. As far as Cape Feare is concerned, I would not have passed the article on the original research criterion because the plot summary has no sources. Different editors interpret the GA criteria differently. I'll look at the article again in a couple of days and then make a new decision on whether or not to pass it. Keep up the hard work, and thanks for the thank you! =) –King Bee (T • C) 19:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay I've given the synopsis a final re-write and used the official site page as a ref, and so I have now re-submitted the page. Gran2 20:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Very nice. Sorry it took me so long to get back to you, I was involved in other articles. Good work! –King Bee (T • C) 21:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Woo, thanks alot, you really are an extremely helpful editor. Keep up the great work. Gran2 21:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words. If you have other articles that are up on WP:GAC or that you plan on putting up there that you want me to review or help you work on, let me know. It was a pleasure! –King Bee (T • C) 21:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redd Foxx reference??

The caption for the screenshot of Patterson walking off stage says it references the "Redd Foxx incident." What incident? I looking up Redd Foxx's page here on WP, and there's no mention of him ever doing something like that. Did he get angry giving a speech like Patterson or something? We need to verify this and I'm curious. PowderedToastMan 19:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Read the production section of this article, then you'll see that it is fully verified. Gran2 19:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Holy crap! Do I feel stupid, it was right beneath the picture in the Production section! My bad!PowderedToastMan 01:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

He don't worry we all make mistakes sometimes, Happy editing! Gran2 07:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Wankers"

This episode was cut when it was aired on Sky One in the UK; just had a bit of a shock watching the uncut version on the Season 9 DVD. This is the first time I have heard the word "wanker" used in an American show. In the UK and Ireland, it isn't a word that you'd hear on prime time TV as it is considered most profane (far more so than "jerk" or "jerk-off"). Is this worth adding to the trivia? Danny Darko 21:36, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

No. This is a GA, no trivia please. Wanker isn't offensive in America, it just is here. Sky and C4 just cut every little thing that might be unsuitable for people under 18. That means wanker, bastard, mentions of prostitutes, etc. Gran2 05:44, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
"Wankers" was left in for the airing of the episode on Channel 4, 15th April 2008. 88.107.56.53 (talk) 17:19, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I was very shocked; BBC2 used to cut the word, didn't they? Surely this is notable. U-Mos (talk) 17:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
No. If they get in trouble for it, then it can be included, but until then whether part of episode is left in or not, isn't notable. Gran2 17:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

But it has, in the past, been deemed inappropriate enough to censor, quite possibly for the only time in Simpsons history. That must be worth something. U-Mos (talk) 19:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

As said, it will only be notable if it receives press coverage. Channel 4 cut stuff from episodes all the time, "Bart Gets Famous", "Krusty Gets Kancelled" and of course "The City of New York vs. Homer Simpson" which is really the only one worth noting. The fact that one channel, aired the episode pre-watershed without cutting the word wankers from it (a word only really deemed offensive in Britain) is not notable, unless it receives press coverage and/or receives multiple complaints to Ofcom. Unless that happens, what C4 did or did not cut in one airing is not notable enough for inclusion in an encyclopedia. Gran2 19:59, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm not saying C4 NOT cutting it is notable, but the fact that BBC2 (and Sky One, apparently) DID. The equivalent of this is mentioned in Bart Gets Famous, which you linked to above. It isn't in Krusty Gets Kancelled's article, but I'd like to know what was censored. And where would seem to be a better place to find out than an online encyclopedia? U-Mos (talk) 20:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
C4 usually cut a sequence in which a tidal hits the set of Springfield Squares in KGK. Censorship changes are not notable, whatever they are, unless they can be reliably sourced, verified and reported by major press organisations. As far as I can remember, only the fact that until a few months ago TCONYVs.HS hadn't aired on terrestrial TV in the UK was really reported and there for included. If you can find some reliable sources about the use of wankers in this episode, then maybe in can be included, but otherwise it can't. Gran2 20:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cultural references

almost every other Simpson episode article has a list.--Dominik92 03:15, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Sweeps (on hold)

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed.

  • There is a reference that is failing (was named "bbc") and needs to be fixed.

I will check back in no less than seven days. If progress is being made and issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GAR). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions, and many thanks for all the hard work that has gone into this article thus far. Regards, MASEM 21:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. Gran2 18:13, 21 February 2008 (UTC)