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"Sue you in England" fan art

I'll make this as clear as I can... England does have its own laws. There is no such thing as 'UK law' apart from legislation from Westminster. The common law in England and Wales is distinct and separate from the law in Scotland - this was a key factor of the Act of Union. Also, the reason he says "I'll sue you in England!" is because of rich businesses and people using the Commercial and other courts in England due to its long history of international dispute resolution involving a LOT of money, something which Cruise has a lot of.

--Naylor182 13:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The flag behind Cruise in this picture is the flag of the UK, not the English flag.

People from the USA often make this mistake. England is not the UK.

Then again, when Cruise said "I'll sue you in England", any action would have to be under UK law since England doesn't have its own laws. So maybe the image is correct?

  • See above, --Naylor182 13:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Thoughts? 81.5.150.113 10:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

First, you are absolutely right: the image behind that of Cruise is the Union Jack, and indeed, England is not synonymous with the UK, as it is one of the United Kingdom's components. As for the "England doesn't have its own laws" bit, I don't know, but it seems to me that they do. Isn't there something called "English common law"? But I don't know for sure. -- Jalabi99 11:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
  • See above, --Naylor182 13:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

English common law has a historical basis. England is part of Britain, it is not independant. It has similar power to the states in the united states. It's flag is a white background with a red cross. This is an encylepeida people, use it.

  • It does not have similar powers to US states, as the USA is a federal state and the UK is unitary. England itself has as much powers as its constituencies. There is no such thing as an 'English' Parliament, so you're not correct.

It's called an encyclopedia. Maybe take some of your own medicine?

I know I'm being pendantic, but it's called the Union Flag. Also, England and Wales have different laws to Scotland. Sierra 1 20:30, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't you mean pedantic?

Song Lyrics?

Any chance of adding the lyrics from the R.kelly/cruise/travolta duet?

I think it may be valuable to note that Chef has been absent from -all- the recent episodes, not just this one. The trivia note is unneccesary.

He was also more conspicuously absent in the Super Best Friends episode that made a more vague parody of Scientology, and Chef was the protagonist in Timmy 2000 where he fights against the use of Ritalin (the elimination of all psychiatric medication being a main goal of Scientology) so it looks like a pattern to me. --Wingsandsword 19:57, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I was wondering about this and what the implications are for the Chef character after this. Khiradtalk 05:34, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Butters

The fact about Butters not being in this episode should either be altered or taken off. Butters appeared in the episode, "Ginger Kids," though only for one scene for a few seconds. He told Kyle he thought his speech was very informative.

It was removed an hour ago. - Tεxτurε 23:31, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Good catch. I'm going to add that to the Ginger Kids article. Rast 21:11, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

President of Scientology

I'm don't know if the President in the episode was meant to be David Miscavige (picture at [1] ). If there is a resemblance it is pretty vague. Also, his title is Chairman of the Board of Religious Technology Center. Not that I think that there's anything wrong with the wiki-link, just pointing out that the character in the show probably isn't based on David Miscavige. Rast 01:17, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, job titles aside, Miscavige is the leader of Scientology, so he's probably who that character was (loosely) based on. I put it in because I think a link from the nameless fictional leader to his real world counterpart was warranted. --Wingsandsword 02:50, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I thought it odd that, unlike other South Park parodies, they stuck to everything very well (even the personality test[2]); which went beyond the normal social commentary and into quasi-documentary territory. But not to make fun of Miscavige was a missed opportunity. Should it be mentioned that the news media was following this episode and the fact that Matt and Trey were (supposedly) more nervous about this episode than others because of the litigious nature of the organization (thus Stan challenging them to sue him and the John and Jane Smith's in the credits)? And has anyone heard Scientology "comment" on the episode? Or do they want to avoid the publicity on this one, keeping in mind the fact that the OT-III doctrine has been ruled fair play in courts? Khiradtalk 05:34, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
"But not to make fun of Miscavige was a missed opportunity" As far as I know, Miscavige isn't much of a target compared to Elrond Hubbard or Scientology in general. Rast 17:24, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I'll agree with that, Miscavige has quirks and a reputation that could be subject to satire, but it would be a pretty obscure to most people watching the episode, they probably wanted to keep the focus more on shedding light on what Scientology really does/believes than making fun. Just like they didn't make up stuff that they didn't believe in, they also didn't want an ad hominem attack to derail things. Personally, in terms of missed opportunities I just wish they'd mentioned that in the Xenu tale, Psychiatrists were the ones who helped Xenu do all this, explaining why the CoS hates them and it's the "real history of psychiatry" Tom Cruise alludes to in his infamous rant. --Wingsandsword 19:59, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


I was thinking maybe it was supposed to be Heber Jentzsch. Isn't he - officially - the President of the CoS? [3] (Entheta 22:24, 26 November 2005 (UTC))

Link

I added a link to the episode from passionofcruise.info. It can also be found at xenu.net. It is my understanding that Matt and Trey support fair use of their episodes being downloaded. If this is somehow in conflict with WP standards please do take it down and accept my apologies. Khiradtalk 05:34, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

([4]) The official site says "Matt and Trey do not mind when fans download their episodes off the Internet; they feel that it’s good when people watch the show no matter how they do it.". --Wingsandsword 19:59, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

_yes, but they've noted the legal problem with this.


Trivia

Kyle, Kenny and Cartman actually appear in two scenes in this episode. The first is the opening scene and their second appearance comes roughly halfway through, as noted with the "Stan, I just want you to know that I still hate Kyle more than you." quote. I'll fix the "one" to "two" accordingly.

I think it would be interesting to add that when aired in New Zealand it was followed directly by the song Trapped in the closet.

Personality test questions

The article states that Many of the questions given to Stan during the personality test are from the popular UNICRU automated interview system used by many job applications including Home Depot, Albertsons, Hollywood Video, Blockbuster, and Wal-Mart.

I have never seen that test, but if I remember correctly, the question in the episode are taken from the OCA personality test that the Church of Scientology uses. Can someone confirm this, or can someone who is familiar with both the OCA and this UNICRU test comment on this? (Entheta 18:21, 14 March 2006 (UTC))

It's from the test. A copy of the test is at [5], and the questions Stan was asked was on it. Furthermore, Scientology has a site where you can take the test online (after filling out a lot of forms) at [6], if you want it directly from them. --Wingsandsword 18:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Note that [7] also has a free PDF download of the test, with no forms to fill out, and it's straight from the horse's mouth. Ronabop 05:59, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Scientology Template

Presumably, visitors to this page will be interested in other articles on Scientology and the related controversy. Does anyone else think Template:ScientologySeries would be good here? --Davidstrauss 02:47, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I had added it, but someone removed it. -User:Sorry about your dog 01:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I added it back in. It's on the template, so it's a bit ridiculous to have the template not included in an article it links to.-- The ikiroid  00:25, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Scientology "lock in the closet" source

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/wakefield/us-11.html

Think this'll do? TigerDigm 16:13, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Is the rerun reedited?

I'm wondering if this episode's second run was reedited or whatnot like the way they reedited "Passion of the Jew"--not having a copy of the original broadcast to compare it with, I can't really be a good judge of this. Sweetfreek 04:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe so- I saw it first run and I've seen it since, I didn't notice anything conspiculously absent. -66.226.105.98 07:01, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I just saw a re-run of it tonight (it's actually on right now)... and instead of "THIS IS WHAT SCIENTOLOGISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE" it says "THIS IS WHAT THE SUPER ADVENTURE CLUB ACTUALLY BELIEVES". Thoughts?

R. Kelly bit

Needs to be changed somehow, all I got from it was that there's some in-joke I'm not aware of. --Aioth 07:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

GA Nomination on HOLD

I have placed this articles GA nomination of hold for the following reason(s)

Please be more specific; how should I expand it? What other topics should I write about? Michaelas10 (T|C) 16:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Expanded. Michaelas10 (T|C) 18:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, I've passed this with the trust you'll fill in the missing ref tags i added in the into. Wikipedia's False Prophet holla at me Improve Me 18:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Anozinizng

Is this just a regular made-up word or a more specific reference? L. Ron Hubbard clearly made up lots of words, so it works as satire no matter what. But, interestingly, in Jon Atack's book on scientology, "A Piece of Blue Sky", there is a reference to thetans "not-is-ing" certain of their perceptions (so that they can get "game" or something). I wonder if anozinizing is some sort of intentional reference/corruption of this "word"? I noticed this correspondence while reading about the thetan in scientology here on Wikipedia. Does anyone have any insight into the meaning or genesis of anozinizing? -- Redpony 19:08, 16 Oct 2006 (UTC)

"controversy"

Look, that the episode made light of Scientology is a fact, and I didn't touch that. But that htis "caused controversy" among Scientologists is nothing but a quite self-explaining euphemism for the trivial fact that Scientologists don't like being mocked. IMHO this is a crystal clear case of weasel words. -- 790 11:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Assuming you're referring to the section title of the same name as the title of your comment, can you suggest an alternative label to describe the negative responses and publicity surrounding the episode? --DavidGC 18:08, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

kelly

shouldnt there be a more clear reference to r kellys Trapped in the Closet ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.159.169.175 (talk) 04:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

Star Wars

Sorry to have stepped on toes. I just saw the below as an OR opinion of the episode. Is there actually reference in the episode to Star Wars? Listen, as a Scientologist, I really don't care if this is in the article or not. This is not my POV talking. It just looks like it came from TV.com, a user edited site and no RS. That is what struck me as weird that it was in here. Admittedly, I don't know how TV episode guides work here so I just applied WP:V, WP:RS and WP:NOR

:VI^ : When it is concluded from Stan's unusually high "thetan" levels that he must be the reincarnation of Hubbard, a parallel may be drawn to Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace. In The Phantom Menace, it is concluded from Anakin Skywalker's unusually high midi-chlorian levels that he must be the one to fulfill a Jedi prophecy and bring balance to the Force. A Star Wars parallel is also made in "The Return of Chef".

--Justanother 16:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

This is a very important fact about the origins of the parallel, and it should be added to the article. This is not a minor trivia relating to background items or such. Note that plot doesn't need references by default, so this is not violating WP:V. Michaelas10 (Talk) 16:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
How do you know that the writers were making that parallel? Or do you think that non-RS parallels drawn by an anonymous fan on a fan-site belong in the article. Just curious because I don't know how episode guides work. --Justanother 17:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I see your point, and I didn't find any source on the internet that confirm the connection. I've removed the note now. Michaelas10 (Talk) 17:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Should we do what they did on the page for the Mormon episode?

That page has a bit that says: "While much of the Mormon history and theology explained in this episode is correct, many of the episode's details regarding Mormonism are incorrect:". Shouldn't we do the same here?--Greasysteve13 13:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

"In the closet" joke.

When coming out of the house, R-Kelly has a somewhat disturbed and confused look on his face, maybe implying that Tom Cruise and John Travolta had intercourse in front of him?


Taking away the link to the "stop scientology" page, though I'm not pro-scientology it's nevertheless a very POV source. 213.67.207.223 16:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC) /Lord_baver

While articles mustn't be POV, sources are fine to... --- 790 11:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

The Scientology page has got a bit messed up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology It's got a bit biased towards scientoligists. It needs fixing Alan2here

"secret doctrine" in Lead

  • A brief reference should be made in the Lead/Intro about the Xenu/Space opera in Scientology scripture information that is discussed, referred to by the fictional president of the Church of Scientology as "secret doctrine". This was a central part of the episode, and widely reported on. Smee 21:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC).

Removal of quote

Recently someone removed the second portion of a quote from Trey Stone with the edit summary "Removing an apperenately made-up part of a quote." Here is the text that was incorrectly removed as supposedly "made-up":

He wants a different standard for religions other than his own, and, to me, that is where intolerance and bigotry begin.

And here is the last paragraph of http://entertainment.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=218421&GT1=7703& , the AP story cited as reference:

Stone told The AP he and co-creator Trey Parker "never heard a peep out of Isaac in any way until we did Scientology. He wants a different standard for religions other than his own, and to me, that is where intolerance and bigotry begin." (emphasis added)

Perhaps someone was confused by the use of the ellipsis. -- Antaeus Feldspar 22:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I posted to your talk page - I am (hoping) that this was all an honest misunderstanding. We could really use your help in working to bring this article up to Featured Article Status... Yours, Smee 22:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC).
  • User:Michaelas10, what are your thoughts on this quote? I am curious why you are removing a quote directly from Stone, as cited by a source as reputable as the Associated Press  ?? Smee 04:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC).
  • Well, this wasn't a part of the original quote by Stone, thus it shouldn't go under the exact same context. Although if we are decisive about adding it, we should add ... between the quotes. I apologize if this already existed. Michaelas10 (Talk) 12:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
What do you mean, not part of the original quote by Stone? It is right there quoted in the reputable sourced citation? I do not understand, sorry... Smee 16:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC).
The original quote:
"South Park" co-creator Matt Stone responded sharply in an interview with The Associated Press Monday, saying, "This is 100 percent having to do with his faith of Scientology... He has no problem — and he's cashed plenty of checks — with our show making fun of Christians."
This part was also said by Stone, but two paragraphs later in a slightly varied context. Michaelas10 (Talk) 16:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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