Talk:Transtheistic
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the article needs to be reworked: there are too many quotes, its not exactly neutral (among others: "transtheism is <<(...) each of these doctrines being a more accurate description than the others under various conditions, but none being completely accurate on a consistent basis. (...)>>"; "(...) is absurd and unacceptable.")--Unkn0wn 22:38, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Please give more detail about which areas and why. So I can make changes
I thank this change should be acceptable: However, generally within a given religion, transtheism could be viewed as a doctrine that teaches that the true nature of Deity transcends the descriptive doctrines of that religion. Monotheism, Polytheism, Pantheism... and perhaps even Atheism, each having descriptive doctrines, comparatively they have strengths and weakness and each disputes the accuracy of the other. Transtheism differs from Agnosticism in that while the latter claims to be unable to make any definitive statements concerning Deity. Transtheism assumes the existence of Deity and asserts that there are specific instances in which the aforementioned doctrines may be accurate but are subject to human apprehension.
Which other statements are not neutral?
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[edit] Why are we not God?
That seems an odd assumption. Whatever happened to the immanent or immenent God? tattvam asi. Sam Spade 17:05, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
This does not seem to be a question of neutrality. It seems to be a question of fundamental theological assumptions and their differences. I can add a section as to why Transtheism reject the immanent or imminent God theory. Wxj42
[edit] History
what is the history of transtheism and who 'created it' I mean, who are the theologians behind it, and also... I think that us not being god is too much of an asumption since we can't be sure of that.--Cosmic girl 02:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Good point on the history part. I will work on that and add it. Wxj42
- In the unending process between thought and matter, if one end is God, we are far but not so different. Note that that end is unknowable and that plenty of time is spent trying, which already means that we are nearer than we think.--Harvestman 21:48, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
I have add this to the section that seem to be in most dispute "An example of some of the thought process a Transtheist might use to justify their position, could be two observations and a conclusion:" (keep in mind that observations are not true or false statements). Wxj42
[edit] Cleanup
Okay, I took some time to clean this article up back into headerings and what not without really altering the content. Please not that this is how an article should look like for future reference (headings are nice...) Thanks! (oh, and restored the "See also" section as there was no reason to delete it) Sasquatch t|c 06:25, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] no such term!
this article discusses transcendence (religion), and as such is a WP:CFORK. The term "transtheism" as coined by Zimmer has a very limited application within Jainism, viz., the existence of gods which can be transcended by moksha. --dab (𒁳) 10:13, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
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- Dab, i am not familiar with the term but a define google search located another definition. A definition is also on Wiktionary.. New words and concepts do enter into the language. Dab you ARE a linguist aren't you?
- B9 hummingbird hovering (talk • contribs) 10:17, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
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- do you read English? Have you seen our policies at WP:NOR, WP:SYN and WP:RS? This isn't a term you just made up (I suppose): even worse, it's an existing term which you have apparently misunderstood. Zimmer's "transtheism" is not about God transcending the universe at all, it is about humans transcending the gods! --dab (𒁳) 10:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
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I have fixed it. There is, in fact, a term transtheistic (although not necessarily -ism), coined by Paul Tillich, and possibly independently by Heinrich Zimmer, but its meaning is completely different (almost opposite) of what the article used to claim it is. dab (𒁳) 16:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
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