Talk:Transport in the United Kingdom

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Contents 1 Cleanup/expansion 2 Airports 3 Railways 4 Additional data and freight 5 How long are the railways? 6 Ferry connections? 7 Transport Trends 8 Project proposal 9 Major transport company

[edit] Cleanup/expansion

I chose to mark this cleanup. Perhaps there are some general sections which could be written, eg on the governments role, but much of it can just be links to other articles. Oliver Chettle 13:04, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Airports

'Internal flights are uncommon but not unknown'

I think this underplays internal air transport in the UK. Anyone else think this?--KharBevNor 29 June 2005 16:35 (UTC)

yes, that struck me too - how about 'Internal flights are less common than international travel, but are becoming increasingly popular.' --Mark Lewis 29 June 2005 17:58 (UTC)

Definitely. Flights between Scotland and the South of England and to and from Northern Ireland in particular are getting increasingly popular. Maybe we could mention companies like Easyjet in passing? --KharBevNor 29 June 2005 18:36 (UTC)

[edit] Railways

The phrase "The rail network in the United Kingdom consists of two independent and unconnected parts" confuses me. Does it mean independant in the geographical sense, or in the management sense. If the former, what about the Isle of Wight?

I wrote it quite quickly to get some information there, based on what was written at Rail transport in the United Kingdom - by all means correct and improve it as you see fit! -- Joolz 2 July 2005 01:30 (UTC)

I think it refers to the fact that Northern Ireland Railways are separate from those of the British mainland. G-Man 2 July 2005 18:36 (UTC)

You've used the word "separate" which doesn't address my question, do you mean geographically separate or separate in a mangement sense? I suspect the former, in which case the IOW should be listed since it is also geographically separate.

[edit] Additional data and freight

This seems to me a useful starting article, but a few extras might help: – we probably ought to say a bit about transport trends (so rail was once dominant but car / lorry now are) and give some idea of proprtion of journeys made by particular modes of transport - a lot more needs to be said about freight - there's no mention of road freight, and little of rail freight

Would appreciate your comments. I shall find some data to add - I think there is some at DfT website. --Alistairkent 3 July 2005 20:00 (UTC)

[edit] How long are the railways?

The DfT website suggests that the National Rail network (i.e. excluding parts not operated by Network Rail, e.g. LUL, DLR) has 15,042 route kilometres open for passenger traffic, and 1,610 route kilometres for freight traffic only (making a total of 16,652 route km). This is the GB total - Northern Ireland is not included.

But, as at the end of the year 2004-05 the SRA's website states that the number of route kilometres open for passenger traffic in GB is a mere 14,328, with an additional 1,788 route km open for freight. It seems that the SRA has reclassified some routes since the previous year, as its figures for 2003-04 are much closer to those of the DfT - being just 169 km less for passenger route km, and identical for freight route km.

See DfT GB Transport Statistics section 6.5 (PDF)

also SRA National Rail Trends Section 6.5 (PDF)

Do others have any views / preference which to use?

My personal view is that - for national rail - we should use the SRA's figures.

You are welcome to disagree though!

--Alistairkent 4 July 2005 20:00 (UTC)

[edit] Ferry connections?

Could someone add something about the ferries that go to the UK please?--Hhielscher 19:13, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Transport Trends

At the moment, this talks about the share of transport the different modes of transport account for. Nothing is said about the enormous growth in passenger transport in the recent past --- though growth in freight is discussed. It might be worth dividing the section into freight and passenger sections. And a nice graph would make everything much easier to take in.Omicron18 08:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

http://www.dtistats.net/energystats/ecuk2_2.xls is quite good. It suggests that total passenger travel inside the UK has risen from 403 bn passenger kms in 1970 to 797 in 2004. Omicron18 09:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project proposal

I prose a Waterways of the United Kingdom project (along the lines of the UK Railways Project). Please add your support at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Waterways of the United Kingdom. Andy Mabbett 14:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Now started; see banner, above. Andy Mabbett 11:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Major transport company

Which would count as a major transport company and which as a minor? Simply south 15:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)