Talk:Transmutation circle

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I remember somewhere, somebody asked for the ingredients of a human transmutation to check with his medical books and see if they were accurate. Now I can't find where the discussion was held, but here it is: 35 liters water, 20 kg carbon, 4 liters ammonia, 1.5 kg lime, 800 g phosphorus, 250 g salt, 100 g niter, 7.5 g fluorine, 5 g iron, 3 g silicon (that's how it's presented in the third episode). I am also curious to know if this recipie is accurate, and maybe it could be worked into an article

It's on Wikiquote, here. --66.212.42.47 03
12, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure Roy Mustang (in the anime at least) doesn't click his fingers for the actual alchemy. His gloves are said to be made of "ignition cloth" which, when rubbed, will create a spark and ignite the higher concentration of O2 he transmuted. 203.173.236.231 13:13, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I think that this is incorrect:

In most cases, transmutation circles that are on gloves or tattoos require the user to clap their
hands together in order to invoke their power. However, there are some exceptions; Roy Mustang
merely needs to snap his fingers to create flames, while people with alchemically-adorned
bracelets, pendants, or gauntlets may perform any of a number of different movements, depending on
the article itself.

I belive that the cases where the user must clap his hands together are only when part of the circle is drawn on each hand (eg, Crimson Alchemist). Otherwise all that is nessicary is contact with the circle. As mentioned above, the actuall alchemy in Mustangs flame attack occurs with no physical action on his part.

However, I am not certain and my understanding is not complete (I have not seen the end of the series). --ender 05:04, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Words on the circle

Should it be mentioned in the article that the Transmutation circle depicted says the following?

Pale white and black with false critine, imperfect white and red.
The peacock's feathers in bright colors, the rainbow in the sky above.
The spotted panther, the green lion, the crow's beak blue as lead.
These shall appear before you in perfect white, and many more others.
After the perfect white follows the grey and false critine also.
And after these shall appear the substance invarible.

Lord Falcon 19:00, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Which one? And if you can source it, go ahead. --maru (talk) contribs 22:41, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alchemy and circles...

A freack Info: Slutemy had relation with the transmutation circles and ourobores. I'm a slut in training and the teory points to that...

[edit] "circuiting the energy of 'See Spoiler below' into it"

Okay, seriously, WTF? It's the first time I see something like THAT in Wikipedia and it sounds non-encyclopedic. Unless somebody objects, I am changing it. Jaimeastorga2000 04:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

KK, no objections? I am changing it. Jaimeastorga2000 00:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Al Elric's Abilities

It says in the article that Al is able to transmute without a circle however in the movie he has circles on his gloves which allows him to clap his hands. 76.99.227.120 04:09, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Fair use

According to US CODE TITLE 17 > CHAPTER 1 > § 107:
..the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include
  • the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
  • the nature of the copyrighted work;
  • the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
  • the effect of the use upon the potential market' for or value of the copyrighted work.'
To sum it up, the images I have produced are for educational purposes, are a small part of the original copyrighted work (the Full Metal Alchemist Series) and the creation, use, and distribution of these images under fair use has no effect upon the potential sales of Full Metal Alchemist video or printed material. Fosnez (talk) 13:24, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
This is the same message you left on my talk page, to which I responded a few hours ago. Wikipedia policy is not ruled by what US law allows; we want to be free content not encumbered with excessive non-free images. Please read the longer response on my talk page [1] and then look at Wikipedia policy, not US law. Dmcdevit·t 13:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
So how do you explain why non-free (I.E. fair use) images are allowed at all... Fosnez (talk) 08:14, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Please see The Wikimedia Foundation policy at wikimedia:Resolution:Licensing_policy. Fair use is "o illustrate historically significant events, to include identifying protected works such as logos, or to complement (within narrow limits) articles about copyrighted contemporary works." This is much more restrictive than your interpretation of US law. Dmcdevit·t 21:00, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Popular culture"

I have re-added the "popular culture" section back in for a couple of reason:

  • Although they may be discouraged, "trivia" section are yet to be banned. God help us if interesting information might be added into the wikipedia.
  • This is not an excessive amount of "trivia" I.E. I fully agree that the trivia section should not outweigh the actual article, but one event, a "camo" appearance of the subject, is not excessive.
  • Explain to me how in this instance' that the popular culture section degrades the article.
  • I'm tempted to say Other Stuff exists but I know i would just be shot down with policy, so here is one I will shoot first. Wikipedia:Ignore all rules - Removing the "trivia" section is not going to improve the article, infact it will remove a link and reading path off onto another article. Fosnez (talk) 08:14, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't care much about one simple sentence. I would note that that remark is not at all enough to justify illustration by a non-free screenshot in an article not even about that television series. I will remove it soon if you don't. Dmcdevit·t 21:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Circle?

Did it say Anything about How you have to have something of equal value? I mean that's one of the most important parts! Seriously, that's what happens to his arm, It gets ripped off because he was trying to create his mom again, and They needed a soul —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.124.25.2 (talk) 14:36, 2 June 2008 (UTC)