Talk:Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen

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[edit] Just a reminder...

The production team of TF2 is throwing out so much false information (in hopes of engulfing any true leaks that may get out to the public) that it may be difficult to know what is fact and what is fiction. Keep your ears open! Ms. Sarita (talk) 18:34, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I am aware, but rest assured I adhere highly to WP:RS, so it's not an issue. Alientraveller (talk) 18:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Well done!

I applaud Alientraveller for a job well done. You've lifted this article from a redirection into a great article, and it hasn't even been on for a week yet. Bravo. Evilgidgit (talk) 16:33, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Alientraveller (talk) 21:04, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
And just a note: considering someone took this as an opportunity to bash me, just note: compliments or criticism goes to user talkpages. This applies to all talk pages. But it is nice. Alientraveller (talk) 10:46, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jazz is dead

Michael Bay said so himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.89.185 (talk) 01:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Could have been lying, but we will not know until an official announcement or when the film is out. Thus, I removed these rumours from the article. Alientraveller (talk) 10:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 3-D

So it's gonna b 3-D like Bewoulf?90.149.58.120 (talk) 16:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

So who's seen Beowulf in 3D? We don't know, because it's never been discussed beyond being listed by the distributors. When info arrives, it'll be in the article. Alientraveller (talk) 21:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rumoured title

Head's up: this blog reports this film will be subtitled Revenge of the Fallen. A USA Today blog also reports it, although whether their source is this blog or if it's the other way round, remains to be seen. Secondly, will it be called Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen or contain the number? I will keep waiting for a press release or a Bay forum post. Alientraveller (talk) 15:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

It is confirmed.

Kalas Grengar (talk) 17:34, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Simply because many sites report a rumour doesn't mean it is confirmed. Alientraveller (talk) 17:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
And now it is confirmed by Hasbro. Jeez, what a bizarre way to announce a title: putting it on a blog, then announcing it. Alientraveller (talk) 17:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Call sheet

I've removed all statements apparently sourced only from a purported call sheet that was posted to a forum. This is an encyclopedia, it isn't a place for gossip, speculation and dodgy references. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 11:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

A call sheet is not a dodgy reference. Alientraveller (talk) 15:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
What evidence is there that the call sheet is authentic? I think it looks real but is there coclusive proof? If not, the first editors removal of all refs seems apprpriate. Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.32.31 (talk) 12:54, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
That's it. It's just something posted by somebody to some board or other. Even if it comes from the production company, it could be a sample sheet or the cast could have been changed after it was produced. We have no way of authenticating it at all. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 13:26, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
It was taken off the set, and TFW2005 is a reliable source: it's shown on the DVD, and Bay and Brian Goldner noted they and other fansites found every piece of concept art etc. and they would even receive feedback. A callsheet is much more reliable than any rumour, and considering fans now know Jetfire, Arcee, the Twins and the Constructicons are in the picture, fighting it'd be futile. Alientraveller (talk) 16:47, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
According to a note on the home page, TFW2005 is simply "the largest fan community related to Transformers toys." This doesn't sound to me like anything resembling a reliable source. Moreover the actual document cited seems to be an attachment to a forum post. I could register at the forum myself and post a document. Would that mean you could cite my document on Wikipedia?
What DVD is this call sheet shown on? Obviously we don't want a fight, but unless we get a reliable source for this claim it (and the puported call sheet posted on a fan forum) will have to go. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 18:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
No obviously this call sheet isn't on the DVD, if you mean what DVD Bay discusses the Transformers fandom then obviously...
Anyway, I won't bother, but I won't revert IPs adding the info either as it is correct. Alientraveller (talk) 18:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RfC: Is a call sheet posted to a fan forum reliable?

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[edit] More stuff sourced from forum postings

I've just noticed people adding more stuff that seems to be sourced solely from postings to internet forums [1] . This really isn't acceptable. Please stop. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 20:15, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Now you're being silly: how is the writer himself an unreliable source? Alientraveller (talk) 08:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Instead of calling someone "silly" could you not make your point sensibly? Are you capable of commenting on users posts without resorting to sarcasm or insults? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.151.245 (talk) 11:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Now where's your jolly gone? Alientraveller (talk) 12:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
My 'jolly' disappeared when I noticed you insulting another Editor - you insult others at will! Please stop that and believe you me, pal, I'll have no issue with you as by and large, you do fine work on articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.151.245 (talk) 16:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
It wasn't intended, but sorry. Alientraveller (talk) 17:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
AT-- again, we have no proof that it actually is the writer. Typically, forum postings are not even considered as a possible reliable source. So I think a valid concern is being raised here. --Jaysweet (talk) 13:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Because he's posting on Don Murphy's website and if he were a fraud he'd be blocked. Alientraveller (talk) 13:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
How would we know this? --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 13:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
What proof do you have he's not Roberto? Filmmakers blogging and posting on forums is nothing special. Alientraveller (talk) 13:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
If I recall correctly, Don Murphy personally vouched for Orci when he first signed up there. Or was that when Rogers signed up? Other than that, would any inside knowledge first posted by Orci at the DM boards and then later confirmed by other sources be evidence enough?--87.164.107.155 (talk) 10:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Here Don Murphy directly responds to a post by Roberto Orci and addresses him as if he were the real deal. I doubt Don would willingly support a fraud. Unless you were to imply that the entire site was a fake and Don was a fraud as well.--87.164.107.155 (talk) 11:04, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Scorponok

Is scorponok going to appear again because he didn't die in TF1. Rodimus Rhyme (talk) 18:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Keep in mind WP:TALK, but I will just say it's not confirmed. The general audience is left to assume he died. Alientraveller (talk) 18:28, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, since Barricade didn't die on screen either and he is set to return, it might be possible. But this hasn't been confirmed or denied, so we'll just have to wait before putting it in the article. Moccamonster Talk 13:38, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Here Roberto Orci states that Scorponok's fate is something for the sequel. However, since he answered my question here confirming that Scorpnok is something in between a symbiont and a drone, his survival chances now that Blackout is dead are questionable.--87.164.107.155 (talk) 12:51, 14 June 2008 (UTC)