Talk:Transcendent Man (film)

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[edit] Conflict of interest

Just for the record Robertptolemy (talk · contribs) has identified himself here as the copyright owner of a still shot from this film, denoting a close tie to the film, and his user name would seem to also denote a relationship. Fjnainoa (talk · contribs) identified herself here as the copyright owner of this production shot from this movie, also denoting a close relationship with the film; she also identified herself there as Felicia Ptolemy which would seem to be a close relative of the producer and other editor. These two editors would appear not only to both have a conflict of interest with this and closely related articles, but also seem to be working in concert. —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 03:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Addendum: Fjnainoa (talk · contribs) identified herself as Felicia J Nainoa here. The IMDB listing for Felicia Nainoa shows her as being the producer of this film [1]. —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 19:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

FYI: Transcendent Man has been created using the criteria for FUTURE FILMS that has been established by Wikipedia, from a template provided here on Wikipedia. A future film CAN NOT have a conflict of interest, because there is no one but the producers who know anything about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fjnainoa (talk • contribs) 02:40, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

In reference to the claim that there is no third party reference: That is not true. The page references IMDB which is a very respectable thirty party source. The page also references several articles from major news organizations, such as Fortune Magazine and Studio Daily. New York Times bestselling books are also referenced.

In regards to the claim that this page has a COI: This page is referenced as future class and therefore can not have input from any other outside source since no one could have seen the film yet. Wikipedia has 197 FUTURE FILMS. They are all (according to this arguement) in conflict of interest. Since Wikipedia does NOT have an issue with this, the claim can NOT be made as to the neutrality of this page. Fjnainoa (talk) 01:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

You would seem to be correct about nobody knowing about the film. Most of the citations in the article are either self-published sources and/or primary sources. IMDB isn't usually considered to be a reliable source. Of the two that could be considered reliable sources, Fortune Magazine only casually mentions that there's a documentary being made without giving any details; Studio Daily's mention of the film is peripheral to its article. This is insufficient, in my opinion, to verify the information given so as to establish notability. The article has been re-tagged with appropriate clean-up templates so that together we can address these issues to avoid having this article deleted. If you have any reliable, secondary sources I urge you to post them here on this talk page so that editors without a conflict of interest can improve the article. Thank you for your understanding of the matter. —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 01:25, 20 January 2008 (UTC)