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Contents 1 ER 2 Name change 3 Mention TWA 800 4 TfD nomination of Template:OTA 5 Commented section re: AA assuming debt 6 Fleet Size and Destinations 7 Mention Karabu deal 8 World's first all jet fleet 9 cleanup 10 External links 11 Extortion attempt 12 WHAT IS HAPPENING TO TWA AS A AIR LINE 13 Details of American Airlines takeover 14 List of accidents and incidents on commercial airliners grouped by airline 15 TWA Frequent Flyer Program 16 Grammar, usage, and style

[edit] ER

Just watched "ER": is a "TWA" really a "Third World Assasin" (given I'd understood it right)? --Newbie (CH) 20:08, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.219.183.140 (talk • contribs) 20:08, 26 August 2004 (UTC).

[edit] Name change

In the movie The Aviator, there is a reference to a name change for the company. If I remember well it was something like "Trans Western Airlines" before Howard Hughes changes it to Trans World Airlines.
Olivier Mengué | ⇄ 09:53, 2005 Feb 8 (UTC)

TransContinental & Western Airlines became Trans World —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Randomgbear (talk • contribs) 07:21, 29 March 2005 (UTC).

[edit] Mention TWA 800

(Should the TWA 800 accident be mentioned on this page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.249.84.30 (talk • contribs) 23:40, 22 March 2005 (UTC).

I'm amazed it hasn't been already. That omission has been corrected. Skybunny 00:23, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I feel that the modest mention of flight 800 is appropriate, but considering we just passed the 10 year anniversary, it may be worth noting that the cause of the crash is still speculated greatly by the aviation community (check out the airliners.net forums). It seems that this disaster left a large mark on TWA, particularly since they went out of business only five years after the crash (for reasons not involving the crash IIRC). --StatsJunkie 14:41, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:OTA

Template:OTA has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Choster (talk • contribs) 22:58, 25 February 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Commented section re: AA assuming debt

I have commented this line:

many analysts believe the TWA assets were not worth the additional debt inherited from TWA

The reason is that my understanding is that AA only acquired the assets of TWA, and not the liabilities. Do we have sources pointing in either direction? —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 03:51, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fleet Size and Destinations

Shouldn't these two fields be set to null since TWA, technically, has no planes and no destinations?

mnw2000 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mnw2000 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 3 April 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Mention Karabu deal

I think adding this is relevant to TWA history, the results says by itself. Is there any problem? Dayniac 14:07, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] World's first all jet fleet

Actually Air India claims to be the first all jet airline when they went all jet in 1962. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Premkudva (talk • contribs) 11:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC).

Yes but the article states that TWA went all jet in 1967 which is 5 years after Air India. So even if Air India claimed it was the first all jet airline, it no doubt beat TWA by 5 years didnt it? 74.112.123.80 02:11, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I thought Air India was the world's first all jet airline after it retired its lockheed constellations. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.151.169.245 (talk • contribs) 19:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC).

look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.151.169.245 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] cleanup

The article needs some polish. There's duplicated info, it's not clear when name changes occured, "TWA" is mixed with "T&WA" with no apparent pattern.-- Randall Bart 19:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Randall, You are right. TWA has always been referred to as TWA or in the early days Transcontinental & Western Air but never T&WA. Thank you...that has really bothered me but as a novice to Wiki, haven't been aggressive about anything but the facts. Will check on the actual date for Trans World Airlines. I know the name was acquired or applied for circa 1945 or '46 but not official until 1949 or 1950. I have TWA original records. thanks for what you do. User:Av8er 02:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

The narrative doesn't flow too well. It's choppy in places, especially where there are too many very short paragraphs. Unless I hear objections I would like to start some copy editing to help polish it up a bit. - Itsfullofstars 05:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

It is widely believed to be America's first all jet airline and many TWA publications played this up rather effectively with "TWA: The All Jet Airline"

[edit] External links

I removed the link "TWAspirit." It redirects to www.paulrichtertwalegend.com, a link that had already once been deleted. Clipper471 06:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

The TWA spirit (PaulRichterTWAlegend) site is pure history from TWA records, publications, sound recordings... all referenced by TWA historians and those that were present at the time. The purpose is purely historical. I would really appreciate your review of the site. The new domain TWAspirit.com will have more depth of facts on TWA people and planes of the 20s, 30s, and 40s. It is not like other links that are promotional, selling products or personal opinion and referenced to writers of recent years and flawed press reports. Originally it was removed because of a petty dispute by 'Sedonalegend' when his multi-links were removed. He is promoting a book of fiction and fantasy, mixing semi-facts, gross inaccuracies with 'peacock terms and 'weasel words'. He said he had started my websites which is true. It had to be completely rewritten. And it was necessary to disassociate with him due to his skewing of information and refusal to use facts. Thanks for you editing expertise. I hope to become a better Wiki-ite. User:Av8er —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.215.49.109 (talk • contribs) 02:25, 20 December 2006 (UTC).

As much as I pretty much agree with 99.9999 percent of Clipper471's edits, I think the TWA spirit thing ought to stay. There is also great info on Frye on one of the companion sites. The graphics arent great but the info cannot be found in other places. World wont end if it is not on twa page but it is big useful thing for further info, and linking to it will be service to wiki readersBrandlandUSA 17:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. It's a personal website written by a relative of the subject. Per WP:RS/WP:V, self-published/personal websites should really be avoided. Leuko 02:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Extortion attempt

I notice from the BBC News "This day in history" page, that TWA was the victim of an attempted extortion across it's fleet that resulted in one of it's 707 being blown up on the stand in Las Vegas. This would seem a fairly note-worthy event as it was targeted specifically at TWA and wonder what the views are about including it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/8/newsid_4268000/4268151.stm http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19720308-0&lang=en Mapryan 13:02, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WHAT IS HAPPENING TO TWA AS A AIR LINE

THERE IS NEVER ANY MENTION OF TWA AND WHAT THEIR DOING. THEIR STOCK WAS BOUGHT UP BY AA AND NEVER MENTIONS TWA. THEIR STOCK IS ALMOST GONE. WHY DOESN'T AA INVEST ANY MONEY INTO TWA TO HELP STOCK HOLDERS.

Shhhhhh Shhhhhh, Deep breaths, Deep Breaths. TaylorLTD 22:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Details of American Airlines takeover

I haven't edited here in more than a year after signficantly changing the structure of the article so its history was more chronological. I was shocked to see the most of the American Airlines takeover material nuked. The heading made no sense (TWA went into bankruptcy as part of the AA takeover) and the section made references to material not in the article. I have restored a section from May 2007. Americasroof 01:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of accidents and incidents on commercial airliners grouped by airline

We should add a section on accidents and incidents. American Airlines is an example. The incidents are listed on the heading of this section. Americasroof 02:00, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TWA Frequent Flyer Program

I would be interested in seeing a section on the TWA page that would explain what happened to the TWA Frequent Flyer Program miles accrued by TWA customers.

I have a membership account number from the TWA Frequent Flyer Program. My guess is that it is from the mid-to-late 80's or very early 90's. What was the name of the program? What did American Airlines do with all those unclaimed banked miles when they acquired TWA? Were they the type of banked miles that had no expiration date? American AAdvantage Miles Program customer service person told me today that customers had to request moving the miles from TWA to AA at the time of the merger, otherwise they were forfeited. I wonder.

Thank you. (Grandvale (talk) 02:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Grammar, usage, and style

Who is writing actions of the past tense as' Howard Hughes was to...' are any other singular past action 'was to do something'. Are you native speakers or just forgetful of basic English composition?

Should be an easy fix. ((Anon) 04:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC))