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[edit] Former Members

I really think that you need to add Daryl Pediford to the list of former members. He was a very important part of TSO and they all miss him dearly. If you don't know who he is, Listen to Music Box Blues on The Christmas Attic. Google him, whatever. He was and will forever be an important part of TSO. 66.211.75.85 (talk) 16:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)Becky

Is Tommy Farese no longer touring with the group? The main page does not list his name listed as a current member. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.107.56.66 (talk) 21:47, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Power Metal?

Just curious, but are TSO realy considered power metal? I don't know myself, but when I think of power metal; Sonata Arctica, Rhapsody of Fire, and DragonForce come to mind. While I am still somewhat new to the genre, do TSO embody the genre?Captain Spyro 08:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes they do in many ways they are a Power Metal band and Prog Metal band. Fast guitar playing two bass drums and so on. Truemetalfan Feb 24, 2007

TSO has without a doubt Power Metal influences. Why does someone always keep removing any mention of it? Stop it.

It's also mentioned under symphonic power metal here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphonic_metal —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.196.122.175 (talk) 11:46, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

The various subgenres of metal have a lot of opinions that rarely sync up, depending on who is doing the talking or writing. For example, I wouldn't consider TSO to be "power metal" as pure power metal would be the bands previously mentioned (although Dragonlord would be more "black metal" than "power metal"). "Symphonic hard rock" would be a much more accurate description than any subgenre of metal, as TSO uses less metal techniques than their component musicians might otherwise imply! Crimson667 20:36, 30 August 2007 (UTC)crimson667

[edit] NightCastle Release Date

After their 2007 Kansas City concert, during the time when they give autographs, I asked a band member on the status of NightCastle's release date, and he said that it would be between June and September of 2007 (at the VERY latest.) I am not sure if my word alone has enough credibility to add this info in to the artical, so I didn't do it (as I have no proof to back it up.) But if any one feels that it would be ok to add this info, please do.

At their December 1, 2007 Grand Rapids concert, Chris Caffrey jokingly asked what we'd see first: "a McDonalds on Mars, or the release of NightCastle." Later that evening, band creator Paul O'Neill came out and promised not only that the album would be completed in Spring 2008, but that the Trans-Siberian Orchestra would be coming back to Grand Rapids for a summer tour to promote it.
As this was the first appearance of Paul O'Neill in Grand Rapids, MI with TSO, it would seem to lend credence to their determination to finally get the album out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.144.251 (talk) 17:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TSO Confusion

Should it be known that TSO did NOT work with Metallica at all? Most people think that Christmas Eve/Sarajevo 24/12 is done by Metallica when it really was origianly done by Savatage on their Dead Winter Dead album. An origin to this problem would be nice too, if any one has one. (I think it started with a mislable on the radio, but I dont have any evidence.) Sanctusorium

"The group is based in New York City, but they will frequently tour worldwide, bringing their music to sometimes obscure areas. " TSO does NOT tour worldwide. In fact, they only recently have been including Canada on their tours if I recall and don't believe they have ever toured outside of North America.... yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.156.77.13 (talk) 21:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I have found an MP3 on radioblogclub.com of TSO performing Carrol of the Bells with Metallica. 205.247.164.49 16:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I assure you it is mislabeled. Check this link first off... http://www-tech.mit.edu/V121/N66/robert_kinkel_i.66a.html Also, its not called Carol of the Bells, it is Christmas Eve/Sarajevo 24/12. Sanctusorium 19:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
You are qute right. My appologies. Lizardking42 01:43, 13 December 2006 (UTC) (I was using the IP address given above, if that wasn't apparent.)
I first noticed the error back in the original Napster days when a copy of an mp3 called Trans-Siberian Orchestra with Metallica - Christmas Eve Sarajevo 24/12.mp3 was going around and it was the most common mp3 in a TSO search. I believe it was common to mislabel tracks in order to get more attention. I imagine that someone mislabeled it so that it would show up in Metallica searches --Nathan Holland 15:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Metallica did do some collaborative work with the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra in 1999, but only with Metallica songs, the strong rock influence in Christmas Eve-Sarajevo, combined with the vague knowledge that Metallica had worked with a symphony at some time right around the napster era could have conceivably led to the confusion.--Compgeek86 23:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] East vs. West

Shouldn't we address the fact that there are TWO TSO's for touring purposes, one headed by pitrelli and the other by Skolnick?

I concur. I knew there were two touring bands, but I don't know who's in the West Coast group. East Coast includes Angus Clark, Tommy Farese, Jane Mangini, and Al Pitrelli. I'll try to get a full cast list at this year's concert at Lakeland Center. The Dark 16:59, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I didn't manage to get a program, but I can confirm the following are East Coast 2006 performers:
Angus Clark
Tommy Farese
Tony Gaynor
Guy LeMonnier
Jane Mangini
Johnny Lee Middleton
Al Pitrelli
Additionally, there are multiple new vocalists and a new keyboard player. The string mistress is the same as last year, but I didn't catch her name. The Dark 17:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Caught another. John O'Reilly is the EC drummer. Which makes sense, since the other drummer is one of the studio group, and Paul O'Neill works with the EC tour. The Dark 17:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Uh, no. That lineup tours the West Coast. The East Coast has Chris Caffery, Alex Skolnick, Dave Z, Jeff Plate, Bob Kinkel and Mark Wood.
Not unless Florida has been getting the West Coast group. O'Neill, Clark, Farese, LeMonnier, Magini, Middleton, and Pitrelli have played Orlando/Lakeland since 1999. I suppose it's just possible that that's the case, but that would also mean the entire Gulf Coast (Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi) also gets the West Coast group, as the first Lakeland concert was due to Hurricane Katrina wiping out the Gulf Coast tour. The Dark 13:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Florida does indeed get the "West" (they do the west and very south, whereas the "East" does the east and the very north). In essence, think of it as, rather than a straight line down the center of America, a diagonal line ending in the very very southeast (Florida). However, I do agree that this needs to be addressed in the article. BTW, the East Coast does have Caffery, Skolnick, Plate Kinkel, and Wood. I was at the DC show, and those are the ones introduced there. My friend (who lives in Seattle) let me know that she just went to see the local TSO show, and that "Al Pitrelli was a great master of ceremonies". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jason (talk) 06:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC).
Thanks. I didn't know that, and my work cuts the country exactly opposite (our eastern group covers the south and Atlantic coast, the north group covers everything else). OK, everything I said about EC becomes WC. The Dark 14:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I did get a Program from when I was at there show in Det. So if you are looking into breaking them up into East Coast and West Coast I could help with the East coast. Though that may very well help with the West Coast to. Turemeatlfan Jan 7th 2007

I have a 2007-2008 program for the east tour. I say that the entire members section be rewritten. I'll get to that in the next day or so. Billy Bishop (talk) 02:55, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Babysteps

I thought for a minute that the Night Castle project featuring "O Fortuna" from Carmina Burana had been renamed for some reason. Best I can tell, Babysteps is a side project for one of the members of TSO. It appears to be a Henning Pauly project, predominatly and does not replace or supercede the Night Castle project in any way, so I am going to revert the recent change. See this news article for info. If I am mistaken on this info, please feel free to let me know. UnhandledException 01:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] metal?

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=1447 apparently, the Trans-Siberian Orchestra is a "Orchestral/progressive rock/metal" band. dposse 03:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] string master

... and string mistress in members. What does it mean ? I found no translation for the french version. Thanks ;)

This is strictly to the best of my knowledge, since I'm not an orchestra person, but String Master/String Mistress in this case seems to be the lead player for the classical strings (violin, viola, cello, string bass) as well as apparently coordinating with the local orchestras to hire players (for example, in Orlando the old Orlando Symphony Orchestra provided the strings section). I'm not certain on this last, but it was the impression I got from what was said on stage during concerts. The Dark 17:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
A little bit difficult for a translation, but anyway, I understand. Thanks :)

[edit] TSO and Mannheim Steamroller

What's the difference? Are they the same group, or just the same genre? I always thought that Mannheim Steamroller changed their name to Trans-Siberian Orchestra. Please straighten this out. The encyclopedia article only confuses me more. (why is TSO linked to Mannheim? Is it because they are the same genre?) Morganismysheltie 21:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC) Thanks, Morganismysheltie 19:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Semi-similar genre (both adapt classical/classical-esque music to modern instruments), but no relation between the two. Mannheim Steamroller was founded by Chip Davis in 1975. TSO was created by Paul O'Neill in 1996. They're under different labels and share no artists between them. The Dark 11:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps then the "See Also" reference should include the notation of "(Similar Style)". I was not confused about naming or membership, but I did question why that link was there. Mgg4 (talk) 20:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

I recently found this little snippet in the intro section, "It is widely accepted that the band is joke and is collectively thought to be the biggest sale out in rock history." I immediately removed it. Keep an eye out for recurring offenses. Perditor 03:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

It was indeed vandalism. Thanks for reverting it. Axem Titanium 04:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
A vandal with bad grammar..."sale out" indeed = - >Ten of Swords (talk) 23:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Song Help

I have all 4 of TSO's discs. I have been, unsuccessfully, trying to find their hair raising version of Carol of the Bells on any one of these four discs that they perfom in concert and that you hear so much of this time of year. Help!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anamcara6611 (talk • contribs).

Here you go: Christmas Eve/Sarajevo 12/24 Mikemill 20:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] House Lights

I'm not sure if anyone has seen the short video called "house lights" on you tube, but it is video of christmas lights on a house synced up to a piece by TSO. It's gotten pretty popular, although I don't know the name of the piece in. Anyone think it's worth mentioning as trivia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Klazmar (talk • contribs) 09:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

That would be "Wizards in Winter" off of "The Lost Christmas Eve." Crimson667 20:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)Crimson667

Yup, This is the original, there have been meany parody's of it. Meany people say this is what made TSO popular. EvilHom3r 01:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Night Castle merge

The article on "Night Castle" has been merged into this band article pursuant to an AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Night Castle. When the album is released, the material can be divided back out to Night Castle by the process set out at Wikipedia:Summary style. Specifically, the division must be noted in the edit summaries of the articles to ensure GFDL compliance. As an example, in the edit summary of Night Castle, you might say "Material split from Trans-Siberian Orchestra". In the meantime, the material in this article may be freely edited, but please do not split the material out until either the album is released or there is significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources enough to verify current notability. If you have any questions about this or about the procedure, please let me know at my talk page or ask them at Wikipedia's help desk, generally manned around the clock by volunteers. Thanks. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)