Talk:Traditional Values Coalition

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[edit] Content and POV

Agree or disagree with TVC, keep fair. not just opposing bloggers points. Chuck.lange (talk) 08:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I think the main problem with this article is that it focuses on outlining how far they take their views and who they’ve upset along the way, the actual goals and views on them being more or less the same as those described on Christian right. It might be useful to merge the “Views on homosexuality” points with the passage above it that deals with similar issues. As for the “not persons” quote, my guess is that if accurate at all, it has been taken out of context – it would originally have meant homosexuality does not create a type of person that can be given or denied equality, as with race. Out of the highly supportive material recently added and deleted, it might be worth mentioning that the TVC has a significant minority membership, if it can be confirmed by reliable sources. The West Wing incident is already mentioned on the page Eppur Si Muove (The West Wing), and the James Hormel story on his page, so they could probably be added to this as well. The former incident puts the TVC in a sympathetic light and makes the media appear biased against them, but the latter could be seen as a call for discrimination and is described thus on that page.Billwilson5060 (talk) 08:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

In the short-term, I would suggest the following changes to this article:

• change link to “conservative Christian” that is about theology
• better explanation of policies in the context of the wider Christian right
• merging of the bulleted section about “views on homosexuality” to reduce over-emphasis on this subject and unsourced material (unsourced in that it is not in third-party sources)
• mention of other affiliated groups and divisions
• mention of Hormel and West Wing incidents Billwilson5060 (talk) 20:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

As much as I am likely to disagree with the TVC, I'm tagging this NPOV -- the stub as is focuses a lot on what the TVC is against and probably could use some balancing. -- — I. Neschek | talk 13:39, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

From what I've seen of it, the whole point of TVC is being against things. -- Kizor 13:05, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

They are a venomous little organization.

• I edited a few words that seemed POV to me. As much I as I disagree with many of the TVC's views, I feel that Wikipedia articles should maintain neutrality. Andrea Parton 01:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

While I also disagree with some stuff these guys have done, I don't think they are venomous and I do not believe they are only opposed to things. As outlined in their "Traditional Values Defined" from their webpage, they are for: 1) every human's right to be born 2) fidelity in marriage 3) abstinence before marriage and on and on. True, you can phrase these in a negative way but that's just the obverse. Anyway, I have added a bit about their views on discrimination and tolerance, again from their page. I haven't posted much, so I don't know many of the rules, I'd be grateful if all y'all would help clean it up for me if I make any mistakes. DannyJohansson 15:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd also like to see some footnotes on the bullet points on perspectives on homosexuality. DannyJohansson 15:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I added the phrase "particularly extremist" at the beginning of the article since most "Christian Right" organizations do not go nearly as far as the TVC on anti-gay sentiment. Comrade_Sephiroth —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.221.80.82 (talk) 22:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright

Please refer to WP:COPYRIGHT before including text from other sources. Recently removed was a large amount of text taken from several sources, including http://www.traditionalvalues.org/pdf_files/bio_rev_lou_sheldon.pdf Mendaliv (talk) 05:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Conservative Christianity?

Okay, so I noticed the word conservative in the intro, as part of the phrase "conservative Christian churches" points to the article Conservative Christianity. Now, reading through that article, I notice that it's more about traditional Christianity, while the TVC appears to just be conservative in the sense of conservatism. Of course, I'm not an expert on the subject, so I have no idea what the intended meaning is. Anybody have any thoughts? Mendaliv (talk) 07:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I would agree with this; the two are related, and TVC at the top appears to be both, but the campaigns are not generally about theology, or affirming that teachings are "literally" or "physically" true. In the absence of information about the 43000 churches, I'd suggest a changeBillwilson5060 (talk) 15:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)