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From Jeff Vincent: Tracy Kenpo is very "notable" in the martial arts world. The Tracys are, arguably, second to Parker is historical importance for kenpo. I think they are significant enough to merit an article. If notability is based on who is known by the general, non-martial-arts public, then the Tracys are not notable, but neither is Ed Parker. Under that view, only Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Jackie Chan, Seagal, Van Damme, etc. would be notable.


Fair enough. I put the notability tag in because there was no assertation of notability and I did not get that from google hits. The tag is just a flag for writters to know there is a problem which could result in deletion, the lack of sources is another. Could you expand the article a bit, how widely is it practiced, its influence on others, and insert a few third party sources. If there are links to an association or something that would also be good. I don't think there has to be much added but as it stands now it will eventually become a candidate for deletion.Peter Rehse 01:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Roger Greene

Tracy Kenpo not notable? Are you kidding me? Roger Greene (8th Degree Black Belt Joe Lewis fighting system, 9th Degree Black Belt Tracy's Kenpo) has the Tracy logo clearly visible on his site:

These men have given their entire lives to the study of the arts and someone actually has the nerve to call it notable? THAT is despicable. A notability warning here is nothing but rude and uncalled for. Do you have ANY idea the work and pain a human being must go through to achieve the rank of 8th or 9th or 10th Dan within a well reputed American Martial Arts Organization?

User5802 06:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

bit of an over-reaction. Plenty of people (not just men) have given their entire lives to the study of the arts. --Dan (talk) 17:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Could you provide some reliable sources for the notability then I would happily remove the tag. You may also want to read Peter's comments above.--Nate1481( t/c) 09:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Al Tracy mentioned in A Chronological History of the Martial Arts and Combative Sports 1940-now Article, Electronic Journals of Martial Arts and Sciences
"Ed Parker’s students Jim and Al Tracy open a commercial kenpo karate school in San Jose, California. It made a lot of money, so in 1966 the Tracys decided to begin franchising their operations. The salesmen for the system included the Tracys and a man named Tom Connors, but the man they hired to show the effectiveness of their system was the famous tournament fighter Joe Lewis. (Lewis did karate rather than anything related to kenpo, but to the Tracys, that was an unimportant detail.) Anyway, the way these franchises worked was that the Tracys would help someone establish his own storefront school, and then pay the initial rent, advertising, and other expenses. In return, the instructor had to pay the Tracys about $4,000 a month. To pay these franchise fees and eat, an instructor needed two things: high monthly fees and several hundred students. While some instructors had the charm, charisma, and skills needed to maintain both high monthly fees and several hundred students, others did not. Consequently, many individual franchise owners soon found themselves faced with the choice of lowering standards or going out of business." User5802 21:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of Fred Villari material

There was a huge quantity of material on this page related to Fred Villari and Nick Cerio's kenpo styles that have nothing to do with the Tracy System. I have deleted them. 209.159.44.242 (talk) 21:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

"The person has received significant recognized awards or honors. The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field."

Al Tracy organized three Gatherings of Eagles and put together the International Kenpo Hall of Fame. Each event was attended by over 1,000 people in that specific field.

Al Tracy is the head of the largest and longest running chain of self defense schools in the nation.

Tracy's Kenpo was the first martial arts organization to release instructional video tapes.

It is difficult to site links or references simply because Mr. Tracy does not and has not sought media attention. Most of what is out there comes directly from the first hand knowledge of those who know him.

What sorts of references would you want to remove the notability tag?

Dave —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.91.30.124 (talk) 06:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

A newspaper or magazine article to that gives details of the events happening would be a good start --Nate1481( t/c) 09:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
How about web articles? 65.0.59.33 (talk) 01:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)Dave