Talk:TR-3A Black Manta

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Does anyone have the covers for the listed magazines, or some other pictures of the Black Manta?

There are photos posted on internet forums that appear to have lights at the three apex corners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96v0gA-zRyg

That link to youtube is a summary of photos. Teslafieldmachine 21:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

A sample photo post:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g113/monty4444/100_0224C.jpg

^ is now online, must zoom in to see what

000_0224.jpg from same group, as posted on forum link:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=228708

The Black Manta name tag must be from night phots of same craft. Best photo two dim circles and one bright circle of the triangle craft. Hope its usefull. Teslafieldmachine 00:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

A daytime photo of apparently three triangle craft in one,39 photos linked to this

page:http://airlinemusic.mysite.com/cyraxzztesla/index.html

light discs are circular lightning currents do to ac radial magnetic field,look in an MS physics book: Boas page 326, see Bessel vibrations page 650 for observed light effects in single dics ufo sightings of halo effect and black and white bottom. Radial line y = mx, circle is tangent line slope is -x/y. Teslafieldmachine 04:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Inappropriate of myself to post on the added request to delete the page for photographic evidence. Since they did not do as requested by the page, I request their post to be deleted.Teslafieldmachine 05:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The original triangle or set of three lights in the sky photos can be found here

http://airlinemusic.mysite.com/triangle/index.htmlTeslafieldmachine 15:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

http://airlinemusic.mysite.com/unhappytrails/index.html

Just dark objects in the sky, Black Manta or not I suppose.Teslafieldmachine 03:29, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I would not use any UFOlogy photo or image for this article. All such UFOlogy related stuff should go to the related Black triangles article, which is the UFOlogist article. This article is about military technology, not UFOs. Xxxxxxxxxxx 08:42, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Manta Photo

Keith Saint's photo looks exactly like the sketch of an UCAV (unmanned aerial vehicle; used for reconnaisance) presented in the UAP-Report of the British MoD (Section 9, Figure 8, p. 93). The sketch presented there comes from Janes, a journal focused on military subjects and describes an UAV whith a highly stealthy design. Frankly spoken: It could also be nearly anything else including a fake. But in any case: it shares absolutely no similarities to the socalled TR-3 Manta, as this allegedly looked very much like a mixture between the F-117 and the B-2 141.2.22.211 15:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

What I wanted to suggest is this: The section about Saint's "Manta-photo" should be deleted. It's no serious eveidence. 141.2.22.211 16:03, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

It does not seem to be a regular aircraft but something is up in the air with lights on the bottom, and the Air Force is in charge of the air or part of it. It might best be labeled a ufo, but does that drop the subject. You and the other contra photo poster may not have the investigation at heart by requesting elimination of any photo observations.Teslafieldmachine 04:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested Manta Photo

Actually, there exists no photo of the TR3-Manta. The photos which are proposed by the sites which are cited by teslafieldmachine are no conclusive evidence. It's up to everyone's personal belief whether they are showing a Black Manta or just some lights in the sky. All one could add is a sketch drawn by Adrian Mann and based on the rumours about what TR-3 should look like (http://www.thespacereview.com/article/576/2). But that would raise copyright problems. Bytheway, the same source (http://www.thespacereview.com/article/576/2) comes to the conclusion, that the TR-3 never existed and that the rumors about its existence were just based on misinterpretation. 141.2.22.211 15:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Lights and photos are an observation, its up to the physicist to explain physical phenomina and it is not a question of belief, its hard unexplained evidence if you wish. A small physics and math background explains what we see and its not a belief.Teslafieldmachine 04:34, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

There should not be copyright problems with images, since we have images on the Aurora and Blackstar blackproject article pages using the "fair use" clause of US copyright law. If we follow similar low res images, it should be OK. However, this article should not be turned into some UFOlogy exercise. UFOlogy should be restricted to the Black triangles article, and only mentioned in passing here, since UFOlogy has no relation to Aurora, Blackstar or the Black Manta. The TR-3B is a total UFOlogy imaginary object. Xxxxxxxxxxx 08:53, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I think, you are right and I will add Adrian Mann's picture - didn't know, that it's ok in the US (by the way: I'm identical with 141.2.22.211 from above). And what's about the Keith Saint "sighting"? Delete or not? Crypto-ffm 11:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I have excised the questionable material. Following both your arguments, and my own opinion, it makes the article less skanky. Alien UFO should be restricted to alien UFO articles. 70.51.9.71 06:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

YouTube link changed to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96v0gA-zRyg Teslafieldmachine 15:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] excised American Chronicle material

On September 4, 2006 the American Chronicle published a picture taken by Mr Keith Saint of England [1] reportedly showing the aircraft in a high bank as seen through light cloud. The article description includes performance claims that are substantially beyond what has been suggested up to this time, possibly due to confusion with another speculated aircraft, the SR-91 Aurora. As might be expected, this picture has not yet been authenticated.

The above was excised from the article page, since it does not seem to be about a subsonic spyplane, rather, a USAF triangular hyperalientech UFO instead. 70.51.9.71 06:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

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