Talk:Toyota Soarer

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I am against this suggestion to merge with "Toyota Soarer," because the Soarer has been discontinued in Japan and the Lexus SC is now sold there. All future successors to the coupe will be named Lexus SC.

It might possibly work to merge the Soarer article with the Lexus SC article, instead of the other way around. Note that the Toyota Aristo, Toyota Altezza articles do not exist; they are respectively merged in the Lexus GS and Lexus IS articles. There are no longer Aristos or Altezzas sold in Japan; these are now all-new Lexus vehicles.

You can see the SC sold in Japan as such here: http://lexus.jp/models/sc/index.html

One problem however with merging is that the 1st and 2nd generation Toyota Soarers were NOT Lexus SC's. Perhaps then the Soarer article should remain, much like the Toyota Cressida article, to keep information for the 1st and 2nd generation Soarer vehicles.Enigma3542002 08:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

also, note in May 2006 there was a "consensus not to merge" reached. Enigma3542002 08:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I have edited the article to more make a more distinct clarification on the Lexus SC vs. Toyota Soarer differences and similarities, and to indicate the timeline of the Soarer's production cycle. Based on these changes, it would make sense to keep both articles separate, as the earlier consensus indicated. Enigma3542002 09:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The reason Lexus stopped selling their models in Japan is because of the popularity of the badge in Japan and it was a result of demands of rebadging them as Lexus as many owners did so, the reason why I am for a merge is they are the same body style after all and even if the Soarer have been two generations longer than the SC just as straightforard as that, I have to say the main reason why people would object a luxury car being called Toyota is because they are label whore themselves. Willirennen 08:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

If you want to merge Soarer with SC, that was debated before and a consensus was achieved to reject that. However, if you are so adamant about merging, then it would be better to merge into the Lexus SC article just as the Altezza and Aristo articles are merged into the IS and GS articles, respectively.

However the SC continues while the Soarer has stopped. And the Soarer was available before the SC, which presents a conundrum. Enigma3542002 08:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

How about a change of heart, I have changed the merge nomination around Willirennen 20:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

To be very honest, these two pages describes them both as personal luxury coupé and I am not prepared to take any s**t for some of these excuses. Discussion continues here.

Edited the article *again* to clear up the production dates. Note that the JDM Soarer production dates DO NOT correspond with their US Lexus counterparts! Sciflyer (talk) 12:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)