User talk:Tourombah

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Contents 1 Welcome 2 Upper North Shore (Sydney) 3 'Central North Region' 4 Statistical evidence for Central Northern Sydney 5 Northern Suburbs (Sydney) 6 Your recent edits 7 Your edits re North Shore/Northern Suburbs etc

[edit] Welcome

[edit] Upper North Shore (Sydney)

Hello Tourombah, I removed the inaccurate map from the article as you suggested. I also removed the information which was not in encyclopediac format, but I don't want that to stop you from expanding the article. Can I suggest to you that if you want to expand on the article that you have a look at a couple of other regions St George, New South Wales and Lower North Shore (Sydney) for ways that the information can be presented. References must be provided for facts. Let me know if you need a hand. Cheers. J Bar (talk) 06:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 'Central North Region'

'Central North Region' is not a recognised region of Sydney. We can't just make new region names for certain parts. If a region name is in general use, then we can create it in wikipedia but we would need a number of references. If you can find some references for such a region then we can do it, but I suggest you hold off making widespread changes to all the Sydney suburb articles. J Bar (talk) 11:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Statistical evidence for Central Northern Sydney

Hello, I hope this suffices to prove the existance of the Central North Region of Sydney.

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/lookup/2223E45AA4489301CA256F19001460B0?opendocument

I have simply merged the lower and central northern Sydney region into one as there is no real finite boundary (like the boundary for the North shore being the Lane Cove river).

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tourombah (talk • contribs) 11:43, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

That's the problem. You've combined two ABS regions used to gather statistics to create a new region. We discussed this issue a while ago and it was decided that the northern suburbs were split between Northern Beaches, Upper & Lower North Shore and then Hills District. These are the officially recognised terms used to decribe parts of Sydney.

I must admit that there are some suburbs there like Ryde which aren't strictly described as being being part of the North Shore, but we probably need to look around for some more reference material before we go off and change all the suburb articles. If you can find some mor ereference material, particularly from the local councils than we coule create a new region in wikipedia.

The other problem of following the ABS statistical regions is that we would probably have to create a number of other new regions which aren't really in common use. Let's see what other people in the Sydney project think before we change all the descriptions in the suburb articles. Cheers. J Bar (talk) 11:57, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Here is one more source:

http://www.metrostrategy.nsw.gov.au/dev/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=81&languageId=1&contentId=556

I strongly feel that a name change to "Northern Sydney region" or the "Northern Suburbs (based on the train line)" is better.

Suburbs like Westleigh, Thornleigh etc are not Upper north shore. Ryde, Macquarie park etc are not Lower North shore- as you have also stated.

Thank you for your understanding and I hope we can get to a suitable outcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tourombah (talk • contribs) 12:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I think those suggestions are more appropriate for a region name. I'll do some research too and hopefully we can find a name that is general use for that whole region. We've got to get it rright from the start because a lot of articles, templates and categories are linked to these region names. When we create something new, we have to go back an update verything else too. I'll revert those suburb articles for now, just until we decide on a more appropriate region name but I'm liking 'Northern Suburbs (Sydney)'. Cheers.J Bar (talk) 12:15, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Northern Suburbs (Sydney)

I've moved the page to the Northern Suburbs (Sydney). Suggest we emulate existing Eastern suburbs page. I'll make the other changes to templates/categories and subburb articles, when I get a chance. I hope this is better than keeeping the suburbs in Upper/Lower North Shore. Cheers.J Bar (talk) 12:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

See comments by JRG below. He has had more experience and involvement in the discussion of articlees on Sydney regions. Central Norther Sydney = Upper North Shore. Lower Northern Sydney = Lower North Shore. J Bar (talk) 07:04, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your recent edits

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[edit] Your edits re North Shore/Northern Suburbs etc

Tourombah, you can't use the ABS references to say what you want them to say. All it shows is the way the ABS classifies its statistics data into regions in Sydney. It is not a reference for classifying the regions in Sydney as generally used and cannot be used as that. The mainstream media use the terms "North Shore" and "Hills District" depending on Local Government area, and the term "Northern Districts" is not used (apart from the local newspaper); the term "Northern Suburbs" is far too general to refer to anything useful - it may as well refer to anything north of the Parramatta River and south of the Hawkesbury. I know it might sound weird to think that suburbs such as Epping belong as "North Shore", but that is how they are referred to. We have already had this discussion two years ago, and I'm not up for another one to go over the same material (see here). The other sources on the page show nothing at all to prove that the term even exists. Touromba, you need to either find a source backing this up (a proper one that actually proves the point), or leave the regions as they are and develop the pages without resorting to made up names of regions. Your page and edits may be in good faith but if you are only editing on Wikipedia to insert your own names then that is being disruptive. JRG (talk) 05:36, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I want to apologise for the above. I was annoyed, not out of your writing of the article, but the fact you went through every suburb article and renamed it to suit the article you had written. I'm still adamant you can't use the ABS reference to back up your Northern Suburbs claim, but if you want to write and expand the article I'm happy for you to do it; just don't run through every suburb article and change it. You need to be aware, though, that the mainstream media, when referring to the "North Shore" area, don't just mean the suburbs along the railway line (even though some residents of those areas would hate to be labelled as "North Shore") - they can refer to areas in the Ryde and Hornsby LGAs too and often do (especially last year during the Federal Election). JRG (talk) 01:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)