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Why the Torrens system failed to catch on in the US is an interesting story, one which I don't have the time or the knowledge to contribute anything meaningful on right now. Hopefully some of you other WikiLawyers will have something to say. Ellsworth 00:41, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 not explained; mirror, curtain and insurance principles 2 not explained: "complete Torrens system" 3 cadastre 4 Where is "around the globe"?

[edit] not explained; mirror, curtain and insurance principles

Quoting the article, Torrens system reflects three principles: the mirror principle, the curtain principle and the insurance principle ... these principles aren't explained in the article, and aren't linked to any explanation. -- Quozl.

Yes! The comment is meaningless without more context, and disrupts the flow of the article, so I've removed it - if someone has an explanation of what was meant, they can put it back :-) 217.147.80.29 14:17, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

• The three principles briefly: Mirror - the creation or transfer of any legal interest in the land is mirrored on the register. Curtain - the register is definitive and cannot (except in very limited circumstances) be looked behind. Insurance - anyone who suffers a loss due to an error by the registry is entitled to compensation from the state (but this does not extend to fraud by someone else). Lisiate 13:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] not explained: "complete Torrens system"

The article states that "In the United States, only Iowa has a complete Torrens system". What is the definition of a "complete Torrens system"? This should be explained so that people outside the U.S. and Australia can determine if they have a "complete Torrens system" or not; for example, the province of Alberta has a Torrens system. Is it a "complete" one? If so, should it be added to the list? For details on Alberta's Torrens implementation, you can see the final paragraph of http://www.landsurveyinghistory.ab.ca/Township.htm . Examples of how Torrens is partly implemented would also be interesting. Country Wife 02:52, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

What I presume that means is that only in Iowa is all of the land under the Torrens system, as opposed to only some of the land. In Australia, for example, all of the states adopted the Torrens system by the 1870s, but in New South Wales, Victoria, Tasmania and Western Australia, there remained some land which was under the common law, whereas in South Australia and Queensland all of the land was Torrens land. I don't know the specifics of the situation in the US or Canada but I would think that this is what is meant by "complete".

This article could do with a rewrite, which I'll have time for after exams (which incidentally include property law, knowledge which will be helpful here). --bainer (talk) 03:13, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] cadastre

While the article says the equivalent French term is the cadastre, cadastral maps were made before and after Torrens title being introduced in Australia. How do these relate with Torrens title? --Astrokey44 02:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Where is "around the globe"?

Despite a couple of comments above (made in 2006!) this article still does not give a clear indication of exactly where Torrens systems are in operation. Alberta is still not mentioned in the article, for example, and I believe that at least two other places in Canada (BC and NWT) have something of the sort. As for "pervasive" in the Commonwealth of Nations, does that really mean "pervasive" as opposed to just "fairly common"? I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist in England, for example. If it's Australia, NZ and Canada alone then it is nothing like "pervasive". A section with a reasonably comprehensive list is badly needed. 217.33.74.204 (talk) 13:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC)