Talk:Toronto streetcar system

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[edit] Links

It is not necessary or advisable to link every instance of the same word or phrase.

Please review the Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(links), in particular, the part where it says:

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The last line in particlar relates to the list in this article. Thanks. Ground Zero 14:27, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Route map

Greetings! I've taken the liberty of creating and adding a streetcar route map, based somewhat on the current TTC subway/RT map and its 'future' cousin I created. Thoughts? Enjoy! E Pluribus Anthony 17:33, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Looks nice! The one thing I would suggest is to have separate colours for north-south and east-west lines; as it is, it's hard to tell the lines apart. David Arthur 18:45, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Hey there; thanks for the praise and comments. I thought about doing that; however, I'm remiss about colourising the lines: other colours in the maps we've done have an 'official' connotation/basis (i.e., current system usage), with red representing surface routes, and I would not want to cause a visitor to make such an inference (I know: I can be picky ;)). I also think that the route numbers (which I've placed at route termini) will be sufficient. I'm also hopeful to create some maps for individual streetcar routes, and I think those will be wholly clear: they will exhibit only the line in question and cross-connections with others.
Perhaps we can add arrows to some of the lines, particularly where they overlap or converge? The only other thing I can think of doing is to make it bigger, where users can clearly discern different lines (but to still constrain it within the article). Thoughts? E Pluribus Anthony 19:35, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
I'd say at least a slightly different shade of red - I'm sure there's one somewhere in the TTC's colours :). I think it would be much more useful; at the moment it just has a tendency to meld into one huge blob of red lines. David Arthur 20:03, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
I know ... the blob is not desirable; I'll see what I can do. :) Thanks again! E Pluribus Anthony 22:43, 29 October 2005 (UTC)


One point - this is a subway map, not as you say, a 'streetcar' map. ?

[edit] Tramway Abandonmet

"After World War II, the TTC began plans to eliminate all streetcar routes. During the 1960s and 1970s, in part because subway development was thought to eliminate the need for them, but this policy was dropped in the face of widespread community opposition by citizens' groups who succeeded in persuading the TTC of the advantages of streetcars over buses on heavily-travelled main routes."

I gather that had the policy been dropped earlier, the "streetcar" (tramway) system in Toronto would be the largest survivor in the English speaking world.144.139.87.133Febuary 2006

[edit] Manual of Style fixes

I made the following tweaks per MOS:NUM: km to kilometres, metric first in track gauge section (it was also internally inconsistent). Flyguy649 talk contribs 06:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Network size

Excuse me, but the figure of 305.8 km/190 miles of tramway has to be wrong! Even counting by routes, including shared track once again for each route, those would average 27 km/17 miles in length.

Praeterea, I like finding an exhaustive article! /Keinstein 17:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dundas and Howard Park yard

I saw a photo of the old streetcar yards at Howard Park and Dundas West in the Toronto Reference Library a while back - why is there no mention of it here?

Also, in the "loop" section it seems that the Dundas/College/Lansdowne loop has been omitted, a loop which is getting substantial use lately due to the track repairs on Dundas... Canada Jack 04:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Am I the only person to have heard of the Howard Park/Dundas yards? I find that hard to believe... AS for the Lansdowne / Dundas loop, I thought that perhaps because the section head says "off-street loops" that that is the reason for the omission, yet the Charlotte loop is included. Seems to me to be an odd omission. Canada Jack 16:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Found an article about the Howard Park yard...

Finally, Dundas Carhouse leaves only a few traces. Located on the triangular plot at Howard Park & Dundas, the yard was entered from Ritchie Avenue to the north. Until its most recent reconstruction, that intersection included an east-to-north curve, one last reminder of the carhouse (a runaround track) that was often used by railfan charters. The track is gone, but the overhead curve remains above the street.

If you pull up the Google satellite view of this area (or visit it yourself), you will see that Ritchie is wider for about half its length west of Dundas. This is due to the former presence of the ladder track for the carhouse. Indeed, the keen-eyed can spot locations around the city with short sections of a wide side-street that once held a wye terminal or short turn for a streetcar line. [1]

Perhaps someone with more specific details on dates (opening and closing) can add this to the defunct yards list.Canada Jack 20:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Looked at the map added as reference to the "loop" section and the College loop is quite clearly indicated. I therefore added it to the list. It may be unique (outside of streetcar yards) as two streetcar routes can use it, entering the loop at different locations: College streetcar travels College, left onto Dundas, left onto Lansdowne, right onto College; Dundas streetcars travels Dundas, right on Lansdowne, left on College, left on Dundas. Just thought you all would like to know... Canada Jack 20:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Number of stations

This page said that the streetcar network has 1 station, plus 6 shared with the subway. However, there are 8 stations shared with the subway (St Clair, St Clair W, Dundas W, Bathurst, Spadina, Broadview, Main St, Union), so I corrected this. Also, shouldn't Exhibition count as a station (making the total 2 plus 8)? It's debatable anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.174.61 (talk) 01:52, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture at top

I have replaced the top picture showing only an CLRV with a combination of two pics showing an ALRV and a CLRV, because both types of cars are representative of the system (vehicles used on the 501 and 502, and then those used elsewhere). --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 16:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)