Talk:Toronto Transit Commission fares

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[edit] Revert

An anonymous editor reverted my recent edits ont he basis of "repetitiveness and grammatical errors". I found one minor grammatical error. The anonymous editor restored several violations of the Wikipedia:Manual of Style that I had corrected. For example, the manual asks that the title of the article be used in the first paragraph of the article, be written in bold type, and that there not be links in the phrase. This is why there was some repetition and why there continues to be in the version that I have just proposed. Perhaps the anon editor can find another way of including a link to the Toronto Transit Commission article without putting the link in the bold part. I also removed much of the excessive use of bolding, which also violates the style manual guidelines, and made numerous other changes that were reverted without explanation. This is contrary to Wikiquette. Please makes changes that you feel are necessary to the edits that I've made, instead of just reverting the whole thing. And by all means, explain your changes here so that we can work out what the best approach is together. Ground Zero | t 00:49, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

That was me. I'll answer the points in order.

First, I didn't say "grammatical errors", I said "grammar/repetitiveness problems". Indeed, there was only the one grammatical error. But the lead sentence had "Toronto Transit Commission" twice and Toronto again, and "fare" or "fares" twice. If there is an article on "small dogs", we wouldn't begin it by saying "A small dog is a dog that is small; breeds include..." The sentence I changed wasn't that bad, but it seemed to me to have the same flavor, and so does the version now in place.

It's true that the Manual of Style asks for the title to appear verbatim in the first sentence, which I did not appreciate. But where it says "As a general rule, do not put links in ... the bold reiteration of the title in the article's lead sentence", please note the words "as a general rule". It may sometimes be better to say "Breeds of small dog include..." after all. And if slavishly following the general rule produces a sentence where "Toronto Transit Commission" has to be spelled out twice in full, then I think what it means is that this is a case where the rule should not be followed.

It occurs to me that since this is basically a sub-article off the main TTC article, it doesn't need direct links to Toronto and to the main article within the lead at all; they can be lower down. I'll edit it that way now.

As to the boldfacing of various terms, I would be happy if that was removed from the article altogether. But if there is going to be any boldfacing, I think it needs to be done consistently, by bolding the first reference to each fare medium. ("Papal Visit" is a fare medium because there was a Papal Visit Transit Pass, although the full term is not used in the article.) That's why I reverted the changes that affected only some of them. I'll leave the bolding as it is for now, but I think a change one way or the other is needed.

On the matter of a.m./AM, I apologize for being unaware of that part of the Manual of Style. Of the four forms commonly used, I consider that AM is obviously the best one in this medium because it avoids any confusion with the word "am" or the end of a sentence. I assumed the edit to use "a.m." was just based on someone else's preference at the expense of readability, and I viewed its reversion as a minor fix. But an established style trumps all such matters; a.m. it is. (It would have been helpful to me if the earlier edit to use a.m. had mentioned that this was to conform to the manual.)

I don't know why anyone would think "subway and RT" should not be a link; it seems obvious to me that it should, and that change I'm reverting again. For consistency I'm also adding links to the Toronto bus and streetcar system articles.

Yours in a spirit of cooperation, 66.96.28.244 08:56, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, wait a minute, I got confused there as to which version of the page was which. I myself was the one who made "subway and RT" not a link! That must just have been an accident due to working from an old version of the page. I've left it alone and added the other two links anyway. 66.96.28.244 09:07, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Token Pictures

I just found an old 1954 token at home and just bought the new token. So I was wondering if there would be a problem if photos of the three types of token (from 3 eras) were placed in the article?Canadian popcan 02:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brass tokens

Now that we're going into details of token types, we need to mention the brass tokens that circulated 30 years ago. From memory, these were introduced to commemorate the 1968 extension of the subway into Etobicoke and Scarborough; there was one design for each of the two boroughs (as they were then). They circulated alongside the aluminum ones and the turnstiles took either, although if you bought some, you got all one kind or all the other. But I have no idea as to when they were withdrawn, and I don't remember seeing anything in writing about them (or at least not since that time), so I can't put this in the article. 207.176.159.90 23:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

I think it's obvious that the Metropass article should be merged into Toronto Transit Commission fares. Any objections? 207.176.159.90 05:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

  • There is a lot of overlap between the two articles. I agree. Ground Zero | t 10:58, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
    • I also agree, however a picture of a metropass could also be helpful. Blackjays 01:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
      • The Metropass page has one now, which can be merged into here. Blurry, though; a good picture would be better. And one of a current token, perhaps. 207.176.159.90 00:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fare hike

Should there be something reflecting the fare hike that goes into effect in November? http://www.toronto.ca/ttc/pdf/new_fare_schedule.pdf 74.100.209.232 19:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Done. 207.176.159.90 00:40, 3 October 2007 (UTC)