Talk:Tornado emergency

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[edit] List of Tornado Emergencies Declared

If you wish to add to the list please make sure you link to the NWS bulletin that confirms. AStudent 00:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] KSN Video of Greensburg Tornado Emergency

http://www.youtube.com/v/RzB4l6ASHU0

Issued at 2:25 on the video

SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORTHERN INDIANA 1027 PM EDT THU OCT 18 2007

INC039-085-099-190300- /O.CON.KIWX.TO.W.0042.000000T0000Z-071019T0300Z/ ELKHART IN-MARSHALL IN-KOSCIUSKO IN- 1027 PM EDT THU OCT 18 2007

...TORNADO EMERGENCY FOR SOUTHERN ELKHART COUNTY... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.13.236.125 (talk) 05:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kansas City on May 4th, 2003

One was issued for the Kansas City area that day but unfortunately I don't have the NWS link to confirm it. Can anyone help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LK Thurisaz (talk • contribs) 15:01, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

  • You can find it on Page 14 of the linked report. --Ks0stm 02:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

Is there any rough guideline as to what might be considered a notable tornado emergency? I agree with the decision a while back that the article itself is notable; shouldn't some specific tornado emergencies be considered of low notability (such as ones where the tornado does not hit somewhere or is "weak" (weak in this case meaning low EF3 and below) and get a quick mention in a table of tornado emergencies issued, say with strength of tornado and persons killed and injured? This could help keep the article from reaching ridiculous lengths (caused by the examples) and make it to where a person who knows nothing about a tornado emergency would still get that it is a statement issued only when the forecaster feels that there is dire threat of large losses of life and limb. Ks0stm (talk) 13:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

All tornadoes with tornado emergencies isuued so far have been significant and caused extensive damage and casualties. In other words, all tornado emergency issued to date have been notable. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 14:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I Should have phrased that differently. What I was trying to convey is that some of the tornado emergencies seem to "go bust", and while a tornado was on the ground and powerful, it did not directly strike a popualtion center as it did with the first four ever issued. Ks0stm (talk) 16:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Springfield, MO 2004?

I know that another tornado emergency was issues for Springfield, MO during the large outbreak in southern Missouri either in 2007 or 2006. I dont remember the exact date. It also had no damage reported in the city of springfield, just like the most recent one issued there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.186.185.224 (talk) 16:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

If you find it, post it. I believe there are a few others that haven't been mentioned. CrazyC83 (talk) 02:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inclusion suggestion

It's becoming apparent that tornado emergencies are no longer rare. After seeing only about 3 from 1999 - 2006, there have been 6 already this year and 8 in the last two years. Should we alter this article to focus on the main text, and then just maybe have another section that is just a list of tornado emergencies? At the rate we're going it has quickly gotten to the point where I'm not sure it's beneficial or useful to include the full text of every single one. Gopher backer (talk) 22:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

That is begining to sound like a good idea. The page does look cluttered. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 01:08, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I was just going to ask that myself. We should probably just keep the text of one or two (such as the May 3, 1999 one) to use as an example, but then just have a table listing the tornado emergencies that have been issued and what became of the tornado that was warned for. Incubusman27 (talk) 02:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I like the idea of a list. Each one is notable for inclusion (including the rare case of a false alarm or a tornado lifting before hitting the target), and there are probably more that we have not discovered yet. I am guessing about 20-25 have been issued. CrazyC83 (talk) 03:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and done this. I wasn't sure the best way to do it, but I tried essentially to group them by outbreak. Gopher backer (talk) 21:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Looks good. The only thing I would suggest is if you could find a way to put the example into the section about the history of a tornado emergency, since they're connected. Right now, the example looks like an afterthought. Incubusman27 (talk) 00:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] May 5, 2007 Tornado Emergency for Great Bend.

I knew I saw a tornado emergency for somewhere on May 5, 2007, and I found it.

"SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WICHITA KS 700 PM CDT SAT MAY 5 2007

KSC009-060015- /O.CON.KICT.TO.W.0016.000000T0000Z-070506T0015Z/ BARTON KS- 700 PM CDT SAT MAY 5 2007

…A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR SOUTHERN BARTON COUNTY UNTIL 715 PM CDT…

      • A TORNADO EMERGENCY FOR GREAT BEND***

AT 658 PM CDT…TRAINED WEATHER SPOTTERS REPORTED A TORNADO. THIS TORNADO WAS LOCATED NEAR GREAT BEND…MOVING NORTHEAST AT 35 MPH.

THIS TORNADO WILL AFFECT MAINLY RURAL AREAS OF SOUTHERN BARTON COUNTY…INCLUDING THE TOWN OF GREAT BEND.

THIS IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND LIFE THREATENING SITUATION. THIS STORM IS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING STRONG TO VIOLENT TORNADOES. IF YOU ARE IN THE PATH OF THIS TORNADO…TAKE COVER IMMEDIATELY!

A TORNADO WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 1000 PM CDT SATURDAY EVENING FOR SOUTH CENTRAL KANSAS.

LAT…LON 3851 9904 3825 9903 3825 9848 3851 9847

$$

KETCHAM " —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.94.14.10 (talk) 16:46, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I remember that one, it was one of the rare tornado emergency "busts"; although there was a large tornado on the ground at the time (rated EF0 as it did no real damage though), it lifted before reaching the town. CrazyC83 (talk) 17:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
link: http://www.jamesspann.com/wordpress/?p=1630 Gopher backer (talk) 00:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What is this page for?

This page should be a simple description of a Tornando emergency as issued by the National Weather Service (NWS). Why is it full of the actual texts of the Tornando Emergency notices, when one example would serve the same purpose? Astronaut (talk) 18:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Tornado emergencies are (or at least used to be) rare products showing that a violent tornado was threating a metropolitan area. While we should not include all statements issued, the tornado emergencies for OKC should be kept. I personally believe the NWS should not have used tornado emergencies in several cases, however they were appropriate in OKC, since it is a heavily populated area, and the tornado was confirmed to be violent. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 19:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
In case no one noticed, These Tornado Emergencies were issued for popuated area's, espcaully for Febuary 5-6th. The lowest rated was EF2. They may have been common that day, but there were alot of strong to violent tornadoes, much more then usual for a tornado outbreak. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.94.51.191 (talk) 20:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
It's now a much better article. Astronaut (talk) 19:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Numerous new entries

Added numerous new entries found from searching NWS TOR and SVS products not archived on the web, as per the request for additions to the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oknacreous (talk • contribs) 02:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Then you need to properly cite these in the article. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 02:35, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I think I got them all. I was absolutely floored I found so many, and I haven't even gotten to all of 2004-2005 yet. Not all of them are even in populated areas, and many more did not even verify with a confirmed tornado. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oknacreous (talk • contribs)

We might want to rethink listing all of them now. I guess this is not such a rare, extreme product as we thought. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 03:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for digging those up. As I said before, in the Nomination for deletion and here, these are not separate products, there are no set guidelines for their issuance, and they're not as rare or a sure bet as many think. A forecaster can issue them fully at their discretion, whereas official products have documented official guidelines, and there are mandatory responses to a tornado warning when one is issued. Evolauxia (talk) 09:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

In fact, with all these new examples, it reinforces its notability. As I have said above, we need to rethink the format. It may be best to show only notable tornado emergencies (i.e.: Greensburg, OKC, Memphis, and maybe a few others). Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 19:23, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tornado Emergency?

In a Youtube video of the December 16 2000 F4 Tuscaloosa Tornado I heard people say tornado emergency. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.251.40.133 (talk) 08:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

True. Will someone edit the page to include that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.30.206 (talk) 03:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

On Wikipedia you need solid references. If you can find one, you can add it. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 13:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3Jyqy7qhsQ&feature=related. Thats the youtube link. They say tornado emergency at 2:06 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.251.40.133 (talk) 06:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Youtube is not a reliable source. The video could have 1. been modified or 2. the people on the video may have had misinformation. We need to reformat this page to get rid of all of these small town tornado emergencies issued in the south. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 12:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mississippi 4/4/08

A tornado emergency was issued for portions of Hinds, Rankin, Scott, and Madison counties in Mississippi at 12:37 CDT. If anybody can find a link to it they should post it in the article. Here is the beginning of the warning text:

SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE JACKSON MS 1237 PM CDT FRI APR 4 2008

MSC049-089-121-123-041815- /O.CON.KJAN.TO.W.0123.000000T0000Z-080404T1815Z/ HINDS MS-RANKIN MS-SCOTT MS-MADISON MS- 1237 PM CDT FRI APR 4 2008

...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 115 PM CDT FOR SOUTH CENTRAL MADISON...WESTERN SCOTT...NORTHERN RANKIN AND EXTREME NORTHEASTERN HINDS COUNTIES...

...THIS IS A TORNADO EMERGENCY FOR THE WARNED AREA...

--138.89.104.109 (talk) 19:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Attempted to add the following link as a reference for this tornado emergency, but am not sure if I did it correctly. http://kamala.cod.edu/offs/KJAN/0804041738.wwus54.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lou-86 (talk • contribs) 05:54, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reformatting

As I have said above, I think we need to think about reformatting the article. Since SRH seems to think that any storm with a strong TVS warrants a tornado emergency, we need to get rid of some the unverified ones in the south. Any objections? Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 17:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

My preferences at this point, since there are now so many of them, would be to completely wipe the list from the article. Obviously this list will continue to grow and the effective of the list continue to be diminished. Then take the links to articles that tornado emergencies did occur and put them under the "See also" section. Gopher backer (talk) 18:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
That's probably the best idea, but we should wait for a little bit more consenus before making such a drastic move. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 18:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NWS Bulletin proof?

The term "TORNADO EMERGENCY" could be mentioned by articles, the newscast, or the NWS bulletins. I know that during the time the tornado impacted a portion of Breckenridge, Texas, the local news stations did NOT use the word EMERGENCY or read a NWS bulletin. The reference link is to an article from channel 8 which was NOT referring to a NWS bulletin issued. I have seen the proof for the emergencies declared for the F-5 OKC tornado, the Greenburg tornado, the Super Tuesday Tornado Outbreak, and some others. I see too many unnecessary cases listed on here which the references are linked to a long txt. document which is difficult to find proof that the "TORNADO EMERGENCY" was one of the bulletins issued. Is that proof all these emergencies were stated as a bulletin? Also, because some downtown areas (Fort Worth and Atlanta) got impacted by a tornado doesn't guarantee an emergency was said in a NWS bulletin. I agree that this page should be reformatted.

The only tornado emergencies we have here are the official ones issued in TORs or SVSs by the NWS. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 00:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I have seen some of the evidence that most of the emergencies were issued through bulletins, though I still question if an emergency was said through a bulletin for Breckenridge, Texas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.108.89 (talk) 23:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, in fact I remember reading that bulletin. I would find it for you, if I knew how to. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 00:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Here is the Breckenridge Tornado Emergency bulletin.

SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX 520 PM CDT WED APR 9 2008

TXC429-092230- /O.CON.KFWD.TO.W.0013.000000T0000Z-080409T2230Z/ STEPHENS TX- 520 PM CDT WED APR 9 2008

...TORNADO EMERGENCY FOR STEPHENS COUNTY AND THE CITY OF BRECKENRIDGE...

AT 520 PM CDT...A LARGE...VIOLENT TORNADO WAS ON THE GROUND JUST SOUTH OF BRECKENRIDGE...MOVING EAST AT 31 MPH.

PEOPLE IN AND JUST SOUTH OF BRECKENRIDGE SHOULD BE IN SHELTER IMMEDIATELY! THIS IS A LIFE-THREATENING SITUATION. Lou-86 (talk) 04:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Though there could have been some emergency bulletins issued for some of the tornadoes that have occur this May, such as the one that destroyed Picher, Oklahoma. Anymore of those? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.108.89 (talk) 00:03, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Surprisingly, there weren't any for that tornado, or any others so far this month (though, I am still looking to see if a tornado emergency was issued on May 15 for Winnsboro, TX as someone posted it on here). Lou-86 (talk) 19:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Any more updates? We've already had a tornado outbreak sequence going on and included the gigantic EF3 tornado that struck Windsor, Colorado and the devastating EF5 that struck Parkersburg, Iowa. Those tornadoes were definite emergency situations. There must have been some more emergency bulletins issued if anyone will continue to update this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.108.89 (talk) 12:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Again, no tornado emergencies were issued that I am aware of. I monitor all NWS severe weather bulletins in near real time using the following site and I have not seen one issued recently. http://kamala.cod.edu/svr/ Lou-86 (talk) 18:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC)