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Contents 1 Background 2 Plot Summary 3 East-West Center: External links 3.1 Pacific Rim Studies: Related resources 4 Plot 5 Kurosawa 6 Unintentional POV? 7 The two pilots 8 Extensive rewrite coming

[edit] Background

The "awaken a sleeping giant" quote both in Tora! Tora! Tora! and in Pearl Harbor appears to derive from a statement attributed to Yamamoto in 1942 (the year, not a movie):

"A military man can scarcely pride himself on having 'smitten a sleeping enemy'; it is more a matter of shame, simply, for the one smitten. I would rather you made your appraisal after seeing what the enemy does, since it is certain that, angered and outraged, he will soon launch a determined counterattack."

Tora! Tora! Tora! Movie Paraphrase from Yamamoto: "I fear all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve."

Pearl Harbor Movie Paraphrase from Tora! Tora! Tora!: "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant...."

That's why they have a cable TV series entitled History v Hollywood.Naaman Brown (talk) 22:04, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Plot Summary

"It was fortunate timing that the U.S. sent its two operational Pacific aircraft carriers, USS Enterprise (CV-6) and USS Lexington (CV-2) on plane delivery duty to Western Pacific islands not long before the Pearl Harbor Raid. Though this reduced the number of fighter aircraft available at Pearl Harbor, it may have saved the carriers. If they had been lost at Pearl Harbor, it would have been much more catastrophic for the Americans. Japanese commanders should have considered aborting the mission. Their intelligence revealed the carriers had left Pearl Harbor. (But they had made a political decision to go to war that these factors could not disrupt.)"

Is this really pertinant to the movie plot?

No, it isn't pertinent, and I have deleted that paragraph. It is an editorial comment inserted into the middle of a plot summary. AlbertSM (talk) 01:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] East-West Center: External links

Tuesday June 7, 2005
10:00-12:00 - War and Image Making:
Two Films on the Pacific War ... Frank Capra’s “Why We Fight”
and Richard Fleischer and Fukasaku Kinji’s “Tora Tora Tora” - Professor Jonathan Lipman

• Japan Studies Institute 2005 at San Diego State University
  • Timeline: Life, Liberty, Loyalty, Honolulu Star-Bulletin - Monday, Septermber 13, 1999

[edit] Pacific Rim Studies: Related resources

• Association for Asia Pacific Studies (AAPS)

RJBurkhart 10:48, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plot

Um, can someone actually post a plot for this movie? Raveled

Attack on Pearl Harbor :) Palm_Dogg 21:18, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Then perhaps instead of a Plot section, a section listing what Hollywood changed for the movie? I understand this wasn't exactly a documentary, after all. Raveled

Yeah, either someone needs to write a plot summary or we don't need a "Plot" section (with a spoiler tag, no less). I will remove it for now.

[edit] Kurosawa

Director's commentary of the DVD says Kurosawa was replaced after two weeks of shooting. Can someone verify if Kurosawa was replaced after two weeks or two years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.225.164.132 (talk • contribs) 05:27, 27 March 2006

He was replaced after two weeks of shooting but he had been involved in the preproduction of the film for years. Doctor Sunshine 03:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unintentional POV?

The introduction includes "the series of American blunders that aggravated its effectiveness". The word "aggravated" implies a point of view. I have replaced it with "unintentionally improved". Bazza 14:10, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The two pilots

I have revised the sentence, "Two American fighter pilots race to Haleiwa and manage to take off knowing full well they cannot survive the mission" to "Two American fighter pilots (portrayals of second lieutenants George Welch and Ken Taylor) race to Haleiwa and manage to take off, despite the overwhelming odds." The original statement called for revision simply due to the fact that both pilots did, in fact, survive the battle, and since George Welch has his own WP page, I think mentioning them both by name is warranted as well. --Warrior-Poet 17:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Extensive rewrite coming

Due to some rather expansive sections, there is a need to revise sections in the article, especially providing citations for the many statements. FWIW, I invite comments and response as the editing process is starting. Bzuk (talk) 19:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC).