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Contents 1 Disambiguation 1.1 Disambiguation or not 1.2 Picture 1.3 Disambiguation [again]

[edit] Disambiguation

Given the huge number of meanings for Tor (see TOR), it's pretty clear to me that the contents of this page should ultimately be moved to Tor (geology) and that Tor should become a Wikipedia:Disambiguation page (see also Wikipedia:Naming conventions). My apologies to Solipsist if I was too quick on the draw when I "plowed ahead" in a similar direction a while back (he seems to be the only person offended by my previous attempt to Wikipedia:Be bold (see "Disambiguation or not" below).

Before we do that, though, it would be nice to correct any references to tor in the geologic or geographic context so that they point to tor (geology)

--Nil0lab 04:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

People wishing to help with this process can refer to this list of articles pointing to Tor --Nil0lab 20:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I would support this. --SyntaxError55 ^talk 00:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation or not

> # (cur) (last) 09:15, 1 August 2006 Blisco (Talk | contribs) (Tor (geography) is the most common meaning - look at incoming links)

> # (cur) (last) 11:50, 29 June 2006 213.119.142.192 (Talk) (Redirecting to Tor (disambiguation))

> # (cur) (last) 17:54, 24 May 2006 Blisco (Talk | contribs) (Redirect to primary meaning, Tor (geography))

> # (cur) (last) 17:51, 24 May 2006 Blisco (Talk | contribs) (moved Tor to Tor (disambiguation): The rocky hill is the primary meaning, as evidenced by the links to this page.)

Hi Blisco.

The geographical meaning may be the most common one in your experience, but the piece of software is the most common in mine, and is certainly a lot more famous at this point. Topic bigotry does not belong in wikipedia. If multiple definitions are valid, a disambiguation page is in order, even if one is more common or popular than the others (and you haven't really made that case).

As to your point about links to tor: if the links are are mostly from geographical references, then *they* should be fixed'.

--Nil0lab 02:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, that's just not the way Wikipedia works. If there are already a large number of links to one meaning of word, in this case Tor as a hill, that's a strong indication that that is the primary meaning. Please review Wikipedia:Naming conventions. -- Solipsist 03:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow, not only are you claiming consensus (not here but on your message on my talk page) that's not documented (Talk:Tor was empty when I got here) but you even changed the quite reasonable redirect to tor (geographical) and moved the whole article here. Big brass ones you have. I guess geography must be your end all and other more modern uses are to be shoved aside. Naming conventions are fine, but one discipline cannot just call "dibs" on an archaic word just because they fleshed out the namespace first- archaic usages fall into disuse, perhaps sooner in some places than others- all common usages deserve to be represented. If there really was a discussion that reached a consensus, point me to it. Given your message on my talk page, it seems clear you are prone to exaggeration, so I suspect you've overstated.--Nil0lab 06:41, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

That's a good question. Looking at the page histories, it looks like the various page histories have been bounced around due to prior page moves. Its now a bit of a mess. Some of the prior discussion is at Talk:Tor (geography), but I recall there was also a prior page move request that should have been archived. Not sure where that has gone. -- Solipsist 07:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. It's been a while and I don't see anyone else supporting your "there is a consensus" position. Any yes, I looked for the items you referred to. --Nil0lab 04:03, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

The page has moved several times this past year and it has finally regained its place at Tor, best thing to do is merge all histories into this one. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 21:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

The picture is a bit dark and lacking detail. There must be a better one, surely? Totnesmartin 13:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I tried editing the picture, but there really is a sharp contrast between the clear sky and dark ground. I can upload a new version but the stone deposit ont top looses its shade. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 14:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation [again]

Kyorosuke made the "disambiguation statement" above Tor only point to Tor (disambiguation), but Tor as an anonymity network is the other only main definition of Tor, and you have to scroll down quite a bit on the aforementioned disambiguation page to even get to The Onion Router.

If it was up to me, I'd just have this page point to Tor (disambiguation) and this page moved to Tor (geology) (instead of Tor (geology) redirecting here) as mentioned above. :D --SyntaxError55 ^talk 00:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Trust me, the vast majority of people who aren't Wikipedia editors have never heard of Tor (anonymity network). Hell, I'd wager that more people have heard of Tor Johnson. It does not deserve special mention on this page -- the entire reason disambiguation pages exist is to allow people to find things that have similar names to the primary meaning of a word. The only reason it is mentioned here is because, apparently , there is a total lack of perspective on the importance of the subject of the article Tor (anonymity network). It may be the first thing certain people who happen to have a proclivity for editing Wikipedia think of, but it is decidedly not the meaning of the term that most people think of.--72.228.85.3 (talk) 21:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

So, if more people have heard of Tor Johnson than have heard of the geographic term, doesn't that indicate that Tor should be a disambiguation page? Anyway, the fact that some technologically illiterate and and privacy complacent are unaware of The Onion Network (which is a well known project supported by such disparate groups as the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the US Naval Research Laboratory) does not diminish its important, even if you and your peer group consider the geographic term the only worthy term. --Treekids (talk) 17:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Whoa, have a regard for Wikipedia:No personal attacks there! As someone who has an interest in geography, geology and software (as a CITP I hope I'm not more than averagely "technologically illiterate and privacy complacent"), I did a bit of digging. It is difficult to tell from the Tor (anonymity network) article or the Tor Official Website how long this acronym has been in use, though it seems to date from 2004. The Wikipedia article about Tors as rock features dates from December 2001! Tor (from Old English) has been the name of many rock features and hills for a minimum of 920 years - one well-documented example is Torre (from which Torquay takes its name) - recorded in the Domesday Book in 1086. Tors have been objects of geomorphological controversy for at least 50 years (see for example Linton). Outside academic circles, the huge numbers of holiday visitors to areas such as Dartmoor will be well aware of tors such as Haytor. Pterre (talk) 12:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)