Talk:Topiltzin Ce Acatl Quetzalcoatl

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It appears that this article is simply someone's (very poorly-written) junior-high research paper. I have corrected many of the more egregious errors (such as a switch from past to present tense) and will continue to correct others as I find them. In the meantime, I'm listing this on Cleanup. Kurt Weber 14:36, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree, some of the content of this should be merged, most of the other content is poorly written to preserve. Nanahuatzin 06:11, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Should This Article Be Disputed?

This article describes fiction and myth as truth. The evidence for the existence of a Toltec culture is close to zero. There is even less evidence for posing any kind of chornology of kings since the kingdom it self is unlikely to have existed. Topiltzin Ce Acatl Quetzalcoatl is simply the deity and mesoamerican Culture hero Quetzalcoatl. This page should be deleted or merged into Quetzalcoatl Please discuss at Talk: ToltecMaunus 15:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

The evidence for a Toltec civilization is 100%. The ruins of their capitol Tollan are in Tula, Hidalgo. The history of this particular king is from post-conquest codices and is questionable.216.67.161.230 20:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)Tlaloc

No it is not. There is no evidence for any claims about the ethnicity of the people who built Tula Hidalgo. Most recently it has been suggested that Tula was built by Huastecs (which would explain the similarities between Tula and Chichén Itza). The only reason Tula Hidalgo is called the way it is is because the aztecs told the spaniards that Toltecs had lived there. They also said Toltecs had lived in Teotihuacan and in all other large cities: Tollan was a generic term for metropolis and thus the fist urbanized peoples of mesoamerica were called toltecs by the aztecs no matter what their ethnicity were.Maunus 21:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

While I agree that the article is poorly written likely a junior high history essay, the things that you're arguing against are naming issues and not actually a question of factual accuracy. Whether a separate culture named the Toltecs existed to spawn a priest-king named after the God he served isn't the issue - the existance of Topiltzin Quetzalcoatl is archaeologically accepted in academic circles as a given fact. The Aztecs themselves claimed descendance from the Toltecs - or what they called the Toltecs - so their claim to the Spaniards that Toltecs (or a group of people that also inhabited various metropoli including Tenochtitlan, Teotihuacan and others) lived in what we call Tollan is acceptable - why not? The processual approach to this issue - and others like it - dabbles in issues of naming and arbitrary boundaries between cultures that can't be verified in any way at the moment, so as it is, the claim of Topiltzin Quetzalcoatl's existance in fact should be accepted to the same extent as any Mesoamerican historical claim. Quixoticsupernova 02:26, 11 September 2007 (UTC)