Talk:Top-selling American Idol alumni
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[edit] William Hung
Does William Hung belong on a list of American Idol contestants' CD sales? He was a failed auditioner, he wasn't even a contestant that got a gold ticket. AllDone (talk) 00:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- He does belong. His audition appears on at least one PS2 video game, a DVD set, etc. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 07:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Inclusion of EPs
There are several EPs on the list but for some reason, people keep removing the EP from Clay. There is no reason to include EPs from Jordin Sparks, Blake Lewis and even Haley Scarnato and NOT include Clay. We should either omit ALL EPs or include them. My own view is to exclude all EPs from this master list and people can find EPs and pre-Idol albums and other comprehensive information on the individual artist page. But the key thing is just to be consistent. MarcoNYC (talk) 00:08, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree. The EPs, especially the ones only selling around 100 copies, are a waste of space. They should be excluded, or listed seperatley. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.140.37 (talk) 05:13, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
If EPs are not going to be listed along with other albums, which I think they should, as long as it is consistent for all AI alumni, their sales should still be reflected in the Albums Sales Total. If Clay's EP is removed, then they should all be removed. Likewise, if they are to stay then Clay's should be put back.AllDone (talk) 05:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Certification
According to the RIAA certification scale and the Wikipedia page on Music recording sales certification and the page on RIAA an album needs to sell 1M copies to be certified Platinum. But someone marked Taylor Hicks album at 701K sales as platinum. Why? It should be listed as Gold, unless someone got the info from some other certified source. Tedying (talk) 21:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
- The certifications are based on shipments, not sales. From Music recording sales certification: "Like many record industry awards and rankings, the measurement is usually based on wholesale shipments to all types of retail outlets, not actual retail sales or financial transactions. This means that an early award or ranking for a new release reflects a distributor's expectations for the album and their market power." and from RIAA certification: "In the United States, the Recording Industry Association of America awards certification based on the number of albums and singles sold through retail and other ancillary markets.[1] (Some other countries have similar schemes. See Music recording sales certification.) Certification is not automatic; for an award to be made, the record label must pay a fee to have the sales of the recording audited. The audit is conducted against unit shipments (most often an artist's royalty statement is used), which includes albums sold directly to retailers and one-stops, direct to consumer sales (music clubs and mail order) and other outlets. Shipments that could potentially be returned to the label can not be counted."
- Unless otherwise sourced all the certifications on this page (and others revolving around American Idol) can be found on RIAA's searchable database [1]. Aspects (talk) 21:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay--I see that that RIAA site does have Taylor Hicks album certified as GOLD and PLATINUM. Now the questions is, why is Jordin Sparks album listed as GOLD when the RIAA site does not have her listed in the searchable database, i.e. they have not yet certified the album, but this Wiki page has it listed as Gold. Tedying (talk) 18:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Since 2006 and possibly earlier, RCA has referred to Clay Aiken's Measure of a Man as "triple platinum and counting" That statement is also included in Clay's BIO on the RCA website. I believe that RCA is a reliable and legitimate source for information about their own artists. Clay should have 3x platinum on his sales summary for MOAM.
A THOUSAND DIFFERENT WAYS is bound to please the millions of fans who loved 2003's MEASURE OF MAN (triple platinum and counting)
[2] Artists/Clay Aiken/Read Bio
AllDone (talk) 08:22, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
There is a new Bio for Clay Aiken on his artist page at RCA Records. The new one says his debut CD is double platinum so the earlier reference I cited above is no longer there or accurate.
AllDone (talk) 23:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Fourth Album
Clay Aiken's 4th album " On My Way Here" is officially on its way, Due May 6th, per Reuters and Billboard.com [3]
AllDone (talk) 08:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Unsourced
In addition to giving no sources for any info, this article is prone to being out-of-date frequently and being a non-encyclopedic topic. Unless there is substantial change in the near future, or reasonable discussion, I'm going to redirect this page. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 15:41, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well, ok. I'm going to go through and copy any sourced info from the album articles. Unsourced info will disappear from the album articles and here. Any future unsourced info will be reverted. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 19:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'm done Kelly Clarkson, and it is not going well. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 20:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- I notice that we've had a lot of anonymous updates to this without any source materials and that it has had to be reverted several times in the last couple of weeks. Does anyone think that this page should be restricted to logged in users? It might help stop the random unattributed updates to the numbers. Tedying (talk) 20:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'm done Kelly Clarkson, and it is not going well. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 20:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
One thing that might help make it more encyclopedic is to put reference dates for when the information was last updated. That in addition to the referenced footnotes should help make the information better. Tedying (talk) 21:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Brooke White
Should her album, Songs from the Attic, go on here? I think its sold something like 16,000 copies already. icelandic hurricane #12(talk) 14:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
- No, at the top, it clearly identifies that the list does not include any pre-Idol recordings. Tedying (talk) 02:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
- Correct; while it can generally be assumed that their appearance helped boost sales of pre-Idol albums (relatively speaking), the production and early sales of those albums were not impacted in any way by them appearing on Idol (since they hadn't even auditioned for the show yet!). As a result, it is probably not fair to compare pre-Idol albums to the chart, since all the chart albums were released knowing they had exposure from the show. CrazyC83 (talk) 17:54, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
